Plastic and cosmetic surgery abroad

[sundaymorningstaple]

"beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone" You seem to interpret "ugly" as genetic ugliness and bones as genes. however Aloha's interpretation that both ugly and bones are spiritual terms is correct. Else beauty would also "go all the way to the bone too (i.e.genes)". And the moral didactic meaning commonly attributed to this phrase wld be absolutely inverted on its head!

Ugly goes all the way to the bone. With my usage of the phrase I AM talking about physical ugly not human character. Human character is not a product of your genes but of your upbringing and environment for the most part (unless possibly born with subnormal brain functionality). Your genes are what you will pass on to the children. To use your analogy, then PS wouldn't be necessary either as the inner beauty would shine through right?

I know the original intent of the saying. I was using the saying to reflect the point "I" was trying to make - sorry if you misunderstood.

And this is the crux....our inner person is still a far better representation of who we are rather than our appearances. Hence your choice of a strong word like "falsehood" would be more appropriate for people who pretend to have good character when they do not. Like i said, i favor disclosure to spouse.

This is part of what I am talking about. It's the insecure "inner" person that is opting to change the outside covering essentially only hiding the insecurity that is already there. The initial PS is only a temporary fix. A PSychologist is what is needed not a PSurgeon. It's only a temporary fix in as much as the mental insecurity will manifest itself later either needing another PS or thinking the PSurgeon didn't do the job good enough and then wants corrective surgery and so on. Treating the symptoms and not the problem which is internal.

The questions abt children make sense, but only to an extent. Vast majority of PS patients are not very ugly. Even if they are, by undergoing PS, they improve the chances to marry good lookers AND have the children inherit good-looker genes. If it goes 50% good , 50% ugly, the offspring might not even need PS anymore! This is a far better outcome that 2 very ugly people coming together and having high chances of birthing equally very ugly children! Perfectly sensible from utilitarian viewpoint.

Your above paragraph assumes that both are honest. I was saying "what if" due to embarrassment or one was ashamed of what they had done in a moment of weakness. As "the beautiful people" tend to congregate in "beautiful places" (the clubbing scene and so forth) and the popularity of PS (more so in the west at the moment but rapidly gaining ground in Asia) means the likelihood of it happening is getting greater everyday. While anybody interested in PS will probably hear about Dawn Yang, do they know how many Dawn Yang's are out there? It's like having a fetish. Would you openly run around proclaiming you had a fetish?

Alas, what if the children are very ugly still?? Would it be better they stay around very ugly parents? Or is it better the PSed parents patiently explain the situation and give the kids certain hope they will look as good as the parents when they are mature enuff to go for PS? The answer is obvious.

That's what is already happening in places in the US. 15 & 16 year old girls are demanding breast augmentations and other PS procedures before they have even finished growing. Why, well mommy did it so why can't I?

Looking at US PS sites and reading articles from there makes me think that my thought processes are more accurate than not. I think is should be mandatory that a psychological workup be done prior to any Cosmetic Surgery similar to what is required before a gender reassignment surgery is performed.

Again, please let me stress, I am not personally against PS. I would never opt for it myself though. However Re-constructive surgery I can understand as it is a different story altogether. (breast reconstruction after cancer or accident victim) or to correct an "Actual" deformity (not a perceived one) like a cleft pallet or extremely over/undershot jaw that creates severe over/under bite problem. I am who I am and people have to take me the way I am. If they cannot, it's their loss not mine.

Total honesty is important as you have said. My problem with this statement is that it doesn't seem total, only convenient. If a person is totally honest why is that person hiding? Why can't they be honest?

[flymetothemoon]

babydevil85? gay?? wahaah better then ucowards been asking ard since like econs ago and till now not even started ur plastic surgery ? and keep wanting to find ppl go thailand with u ? haiz pathetic cases.. !

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i must find a good dr u know ... if not i'll ended up like danny with silicon inside the nose and in changing driffent shape .. I really need to research more .. Sorry lor if i still delaying . I promise u guys i will Quit this after next year june LOL

Y r u so mean?... going for a PS is certainly not a reflection of courage or guts. And for such major decision it does requires a great deal of research & MORE research. it is totally irrational to plunge into sth w/o givng it adequate serious thots, and simply jus - let the surgeon take his course.

And about gays, tts a separate issue. dun mix them up.
anyhow, gays r hot!:)

[iamdanny]

babydevil85? gay?? wahaah better then ucowards been asking ard since like econs ago and till now not even started ur plastic surgery ? and keep wanting to find ppl go thailand with u ? haiz pathetic cases.. !

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i must find a good dr u know ... if not i'll ended up like danny with silicon inside the nose and in changing driffent shape .. I really need to research more .. Sorry lor if i still delaying . I promise u guys i will Quit this after next year june LOL

excuse me babyevil i did nt flame u n y did u mention bad things abt me?

FYI MY NOSE NOW IS VERY NICE N IN GOOD CONDITION. pls do nt anyhow malign me or dr seah. thank you. if nt dun blame me for tellin dr seah abt wad u haf written n who knows he may sue u for slander

[iamdanny]

hello sundaymorningstaples! oh yea...my post was just something off my thots further to yours so all of us can get more views abt the entire thingy.

anyway hope i'm not shocking anyone but i just called my surgeon to cancel my 730am op scheduled tomorrow.

somehow at the 11th hour today, so coincidentally i bumped into a friend at the most unexpected place and she talked me out of it. She brought up the danger that I may unconsciously become addicted to cosmetic surgeries once i start doing it. I mean I am totally fine with people who feels they want to enhance their physical looks here and there but i guess i am not ready for it now. maybe later maybe never i dunno. but somehow i felt more relieved after cancelling the op so i'm sure that was the right decision at this point. doc was very understanding too and told me not to apologise for the last minute cancellation.

yea...i'm a little sad i won't have those kind of high sharp-tip nose so my envy goes out to all of you there who have what you wanted but i'm still happy la....for now at least =)

then wad abt the deposit u haf paid for the surgery? if i am nt wrong for local doc u need to pay half the surgeon fee to book a surgery date... that is wad those docs i have seen practised

[iamdanny]

the force of the PS dark side is strong.. how long can u resist the temptation. if u contd to come to this forum once a while will means that u didnt give it up yet subconciously.. well, give up resisting and join in the bandwagon to skin deep beauty.

from what i see from ur posting, ur reason of cancelling the PS is due to F.E.A.R, fear of the unfamiliar and unknown. it is common and perfectly normal, once u see more success cases, the fear will be gone.

"Fear will lead to hate (yourself) and hate(yourself) will lead you to the dark side" : Master Yoda.

thus stop resisting, u are doom to be in the PS wagon eventually....

Until now your posts were quite credible. Now, I believe you're one sick puppy!

joking l.a.h ...



Good doctor with good review by Yen & Eustacia & frens:

Nose Job 1300, eyelid 1300... cheap for a good SG doctor.


http://./asia_tra ... =6?349,422

He is a PS, clinic @ Sultan plaza #02-01.

Tel:6293 4857/62954219

cheap things doesn't mean good... we shdn't compromise the cost of the surgery when it comes to plastic surgery on face... n hey we are talking abt ur face which is impt... i wouldn't go to him for the sake of cheap surgeon fee.. i rather spend more n look for a gd doc whom i have found who is dr seah...

[iamdanny]

Btw many pple feel, very illogically, that people who undergone PS somehow carry the obligation to come clean on it. Plezzz.. PS, like most decisions, boils down to cost and benefit. People who do PS do not impinge on others rights, and hence do not own the truth to others!!! In fact, for others to even ask the patient can be construed as a violation of privacy! For instance, is ur guy fren even obliged to tell u his penis is short?!? the Since the PS patient want to maximize the benefit of PS to ownself by mimicking natural beauty, which society values, then the only logical choice is to always deny the PS!!!!

I normally don't get into the actual discussions on this thread unless it's to quell combative posters who start slagging off other posters. However, I'd like to pose a theoretical question to you regarding your statements above.

I tend to agree with you that it is your own personal business as to whether or not you have had PS but only to a certain extent. Let's take it one step further shall we?

Let's assume that you have had quite a few ops to alter or create a falsehood impression to present to others. I say a falsehood as you are still the same person (beautiful or ugly) on the inside. You keep this a secret. You meet a boy/girl as the case may be (I haven't read enough to determine you gender but it's really not material). You fall in love and eventually marry. If you are lucky, you may have children. (Or unlucky more than likely). What happens when your offspring are ugly as sin? (Haven't you impinged on someone else's life with your secrecy?)What happens when you find out that wife/husband is all false front with nothing else just like you and felt the same way as you did and kept it secret?

The old saying that beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone is true. No matter what you do to yourself because of your insecurities or vanity you cannot change your genes. Your offspring will inherit you and your wife/husbands genes and not your operations. How will the children feel when they look into the mirror and see what? Will they wonder if they are freaks? Will they wonder if they are adopted.

Just wondering how this would stand up to your privacy stand. I am not trying to be antagonistic here but I am curious whether all the posters here even thought that far into the future.

sms

hi SMS, nice to see you here actually what i wrote in the highlighted sentence is in the context similar to Dawn Yang's case where people not her loved ones criticize her for "not coming clean". I find this argument spurious. As for your example abt marriage partner, i agree that PS should be disclosed.

My partner marries me for all that i am, including the appearance and the likely quality of the offspring. She (i'm a guy) is a vital stakeholder and hence she owns the right to the truth. Simple as that. However to those that merely undergone minor PS and do not want to disclose to avoid any complications (maybe spouse is ultra anti-PS?), i'm not gonna throw a stone.

So actually up til then we're mostly in agreement. Bu you've said more things i feel uncomfortable with.

"beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone" You seem to interpret "ugly" as genetic ugliness and bones as genes. however Aloha's interpretation that both ugly and bones are spiritual terms is correct. Else beauty would also "go all the way to the bone too (i.e.genes)". And the moral didactic meaning commonly attributed to this phrase wld be absolutely inverted on its head!

And this is the crux....our inner person is still a far better representation of who we are rather than our appearances. Hence your choice of a strong word like "falsehood" would be more appropriate for people who pretend to have good character when they do not. Like i said, i favor disclosure to spouse.

The questions abt children make sense, but only to an extent. Vast majority of PS patients are not very ugly. Even if they are, by undergoing PS, they improve the chances to marry good lookers AND have the children inherit good-looker genes. If it goes 50% good , 50% ugly, the offspring might not even need PS anymore! This is a far better outcome that 2 very ugly people coming together and having high chances of birthing equally very ugly children! Perfectly sensible from utilitarian viewpoint.

Alas, what if the children are very ugly still?? Would it be better they stay around very ugly parents? Or is it better the PSed parents patiently explain the situation and give the kids certain hope they will look as good as the parents when they are mature enuff to go for PS? The answer is obvious.

ur concept is very wrong here n hey did u study biology? it doesn't mean 2 ugly parents can't gv birth to handsome childdren... let say a couple whose education qualification are very low but their children stil managed to study in university... by logic if the parents are stupid their children will be stupid but then this is wrong.... a highly educated n gd looking couple have equal chances of gv brith to a retarded deformed babies... if u look at faye wong she is very pretty but her baby has cleft lip... so it doesn't mean pretty mum gv birth to pretty baby.... it depends on the genetic makeup of the baby

[iamdanny]

babydevil85? gay?? wahaah better then ucowards been asking ard since like econs ago and till now not even started ur plastic surgery ? and keep wanting to find ppl go thailand with u ? haiz pathetic cases.. !

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i must find a good dr u know ... if not i'll ended up like danny with silicon inside the nose and in changing driffent shape .. I really need to research more .. Sorry lor if i still delaying . I promise u guys i will Quit this after next year june LOL

again i wish to emphasize pls mind ur words. its obvious u r slandering the result of my surgery which means u r slandering dr seah credibility in plastic surgery field. u may haf been sued for this


and my nose definitely is in tip top n nice condition... n u dun even have seen me yet n criticse on my nose...

[iamdanny]

Jovin,

you look great, the botox really makes a huge difference. I had my jaw botoxed 2 mths ago and will be going back next month for my 2nd round. I really like the way it looks now, and I want to keep it like this!

Iamdanny,

I had an I shape goretex implant with ear cartilage on the tip.

care to share with me where u did ur botox? i oso wan to do botox on my jaws to soften the muscles... how much is the botox each time?

Iamdanny,

I did mine at Central Clinic 63850520 with Dr. Goh. It was $600......

that's a gd deal... is $600 for 1 time? u did how many times to have long lasting effect? n how long ur botox can last?

[iamdanny]

babydevil85? gay?? wahaah better then ucowards been asking ard since like econs ago and till now not even started ur plastic surgery ? and keep wanting to find ppl go thailand with u ? haiz pathetic cases.. !

.


i must find a good dr u know ... if not i'll ended up like danny with silicon inside the nose and in changing driffent shape .. I really need to research more .. Sorry lor if i still delaying . I promise u guys i will Quit this after next year june LOL

Y r u so mean?... going for a PS is certainly not a reflection of courage or guts. And for such major decision it does requires a great deal of research & MORE research. it is totally irrational to plunge into sth w/o givng it adequate serious thots, and simply jus - let the surgeon take his course.

And about gays, tts a separate issue. dun mix them up.
anyhow, gays r hot!:)

i tink its the particular person who started to be mean that is y other ppl are mean to him... if he is nt mean in the first place no one will post mean comments abt him right? do u see candicboy comment on me, u or other ppl? no right? so we can conclude one thing... ps is nt abt guts or courage. its cost vs benefit issue... u weigh n see wich is more impt u decide for urself...

[candiesboy]

flymetothemoon i'm not trying to eb mean, i'm stating the facts. What the pt not going PS and keep asking like for near to one yr? You mean by asking around u will get the answer? Etc for Ps cases it all depends ur luck? you think oh i ask this mary her result good mine result gonna be good? Its also depends ur inborn features then the PS doc can enhance as much as possible from ur original features. and i'm not trying to be mean did u see how he slander iamdanny? I did not even asked for much and i did my eye and nose perfectly nice ...

iamdanny ur nose very nice. dun care abt such ppl jealousy ... ok? haha

[sundaymorningstaple]

iamdanny & babyevil85 you are both starting to push the limits a little hard - pecking at each other again. "please" tone it down. can't you two please grow up a wee bit?

before the "it wasn't me" moaning and whining starts, i frankly don't give a damn who started it. STOP IT! you both already know the consequences if you don't.

sms

[candiesboy]

sundaymorningstaple frankly i understand u dont care who started it but if the person dont start, it wont have such problem exist in the first place?>

[Hannah Lee]

care to share with me where u did ur botox? i oso wan to do botox on my jaws to soften the muscles... how much is the botox each time?

Iamdanny,

I did mine at Central Clinic 63850520 with Dr. Goh. It was $600......

that's a gd deal... is $600 for 1 time? u did how many times to have long lasting effect? n how long ur botox can last?

Iamdanny,

I've only did it once so far in sept so my 2nd round will be in dec......so not sure how "long lasting" it is as its only my first time. Its been almost 3 mths already and I'm very happy with the results so far. And yes, I do think $600 is a good deal when you consider what the premium plastic surgeons are charging for jaw botox.

[babyevil85]

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i must find a good dr u know ... if not i'll ended up like danny with silicon inside the nose and in changing driffent shape .. I really need to research more .. Sorry lor if i still delaying . I promise u guys i will Quit this after next year june LOL

Y r u so mean?... going for a PS is certainly not a reflection of courage or guts. And for such major decision it does requires a great deal of research & MORE research. it is totally irrational to plunge into sth w/o givng it adequate serious thots, and simply jus - let the surgeon take his course.

And about gays, tts a separate issue. dun mix them up.
anyhow, gays r hot!:)

i tink its the particular person who started to be mean that is y other ppl are mean to him... if he is nt mean in the first place no one will post mean comments abt him right? do u see candicboy comment on me, u or other ppl? no right? so we can conclude one thing... ps is nt abt guts or courage. its cost vs benefit issue... u weigh n see wich is more impt u decide for urself...

We are all here to talk only la, stop sue sue sue , complaint complaint la ..

man to man and one to one talk is cool enough Don't u think so ?
yawnz

[babyevil85]

babydevil85? gay?? wahaah better then ucowards been asking ard since like econs ago and till now not even started ur plastic surgery ? and keep wanting to find ppl go thailand with u ? haiz pathetic cases.. !

.


i must find a good dr u know ... if not i'll ended up like danny with silicon inside the nose and in changing driffent shape .. I really need to research more .. Sorry lor if i still delaying . I promise u guys i will Quit this after next year june LOL

Y r u so mean?... going for a PS is certainly not a reflection of courage or guts. And for such major decision it does requires a great deal of research & MORE research. it is totally irrational to plunge into sth w/o givng it adequate serious thots, and simply jus - let the surgeon take his course.

And about gays, tts a separate issue. dun mix them up.
anyhow, gays r hot!:)

ya i agree , Gays are Hot WooOOo