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Postby Gorba » Wed, 15 Nov 2006 7:34 pm

"... view of beauty is not totally in line with mine ..."

What on god's earth is that?

If you know your view of beauty and you know what's in line and what's not, why don't you just wear a custom-made mask? You can change it anytime you like, in case you make a mistake, you know ...

Your view of beauty is defined by others, not yours. Otherwise, you wouldn't mind people pointing fingers at you & laughing at you wearing the mask I just mentioned.

You mind what people say about you and that's why you want to alter your body parts.

I dunno how you look like now but even if you look like you're seriously distorted from a particular norm you're born into, god made you. Don't forget that. God don't make mistake and God made you. Millions of sprems cells and you're the fastest. He is the only one who can decide where you'll be from the heights of heaven to the depths of hell.

Let nature takes it course. Be confident of yourself and everything else will fall into place.

For 5mm bigger, 2mm shorter & 4mm narrower ... you've got to look absolutely ugly ...

Vanity kills. Your spirit or your body, it kills. After your nose job, your eyelid job, your lipo job ... your spirit will be gone.

Go have some spiritual job before you go man... Amitabha...
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Postby iamdanny » Wed, 15 Nov 2006 9:46 pm

Hannah Lee wrote:Jovin,

you look great, the botox really makes a huge difference. I had my jaw botoxed 2 mths ago and will be going back next month for my 2nd round. I really like the way it looks now, and I want to keep it like this!

Iamdanny,

I had an I shape goretex implant with ear cartilage on the tip.



care to share with me where u did ur botox? i oso wan to do botox on my jaws to soften the muscles... how much is the botox each time?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:19 pm

aloha,

My post was really addressed to gartheven2000, but as you have put a considerable amount of serious thought to keyboad I feel I am obligated to respond.

aloha wrote:when we talk about "beauty is only skin deep, ugly goes all the way", i would assume that we're talking about ugliness of the human character. A genuinely kind/good-natured person going through ps to obtain outer beauty will not alter the fact that he/she is still the still good person inside.

Ugly goes all the way to the bone. With my usage of the phrase I AM talking about physical ugly not human character. Human character is not a product of your genes but of your upbringing and environment for the most part (unless possibly born with subnormal brain functionality). Your genes are what you will pass on to the children. To use your analogy, then PS wouldn't be necessary either as the inner beauty would shine through right?

And besides, even though it's statistically low, naturally beautiful couples can give birth to ugly-looking offsprings as well. In the context of a couple intending to grow old together, I feel that it is up to their own comfort zone whether or not to reveal that they have gone under the knife. I mean when you're really to settle down with someone, it is only natural that you will talk about anything and everything under the sun and secrets would be openly shared. (ask married couples if they have every openly talked about the sex they had with their former boy/girl friends) The topic of ever having PS done before would simply be an automatic "secret" (I wouldn't even think it is considered a secret but i can't think of a better term right now) that you would tell your spouse naturally and not something that you have to contemplate on revealing.

You would be surprised how many people are genuinely embarrassed about things that they have done when young and naive or did due to peer pressure. Especially things like tattoos (laser tattoo removal is a big business now). They may be so embarrassed that they were so shallow at some point in their lives that they would never own up to having PS. From what I've read, breast augmentation reversals are increasing as well.

I guess there will still be majority more than minority who would refer to surgeon-ed faces as falsehoods because of the conservation mindset. Orthodontic patients go all the way to change the physical appearance of teeth and after 2 yrs of having the braces, the results of straight almost-perfect teeth has never been regarded as falsehood.

Re-constructive surgery or the correcting of a genuine deformity is not the same thing and changing ones features to something that is not related to ones race (except rare cases). e.g., double eyelids, sharp "western" features, cheekbone implants and so forth. It's almost like some are embarrassed of their race.

It is really a two-sided coin issue but personally....personally...i feel that one shouldn't deny or even feel relunctant to admit that he/she has done ps if he/she was questioned because the fact is you have done it. However if you were complimented for having a beautiful face, i don't see a need to go into unnecessary automatic explanation that it was actually due to ps because that would be uncalled for, get what i mean?


I agree with you as to being a two-sided coin. If you've had it done, fine. I am not condemning anybody for having PS. After 59 years of being short, 30 years of being bald & bearded and 2 years of being overweight (quit smoking 2 years ago - went on a "see" food diet) :( I am just curious why people cannot see the beauty that is inherent in themselves. I am secure enough in my mind to know that the person who finds me interesting will find ME interesting and not find something else hidden inside. A persons insecurities will eventually show up no matter what you hid behind.


Hannah Lee wrote:This is an issue that I've been dwelling on too. But I feel like unless you had a MAJOR overhaul like Dawn Yang, you don't really owe any explanations to your potential partners about your nose or eye job. She really looks like a completely different person, but most people who got their eyes or nose done don't really look that drastically different that people would look at their future offspring and wonder what the hell happened there.


Hannah,

The problem with PS is it's just like a drug. After the first one it is very easy to get hooked on the high. How many people on this board have had one op already and are now contemplating more. First it's a nose job, then the eyelids, then the chin implants, then the eyebrow arching. Next will be the fat injections in the cheeks & lips. The possibly the breast augmentation. Oh, let's not forget how lazy most of these people are due to their insecurities - they tend to overeat and gain weight so they want tummy tucks (under 30?) or lipo. It becomes an never ending quest.

Okay folks, I'm outta here unless I get a response from gartheven2000h. Again, I am not condemning anybody, I'm just curious.

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Postby aloha » Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:06 pm

hello sundaymorningstaples! oh yea...my post was just something off my thots further to yours so all of us can get more views abt the entire thingy.

anyway hope i'm not shocking anyone but i just called my surgeon to cancel my 730am op scheduled tomorrow.

somehow at the 11th hour today, so coincidentally i bumped into a friend at the most unexpected place and she talked me out of it. She brought up the danger that I may unconsciously become addicted to cosmetic surgeries once i start doing it. I mean I am totally fine with people who feels they want to enhance their physical looks here and there but i guess i am not ready for it now. maybe later maybe never i dunno. but somehow i felt more relieved after cancelling the op so i'm sure that was the right decision at this point. doc was very understanding too and told me not to apologise for the last minute cancellation.

yea...i'm a little sad i won't have those kind of high sharp-tip nose so my envy goes out to all of you there who have what you wanted but i'm still happy la....for now at least =)

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Postby tanjhj » Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:29 pm

Gorba wrote:"... view of beauty is not totally in line with mine ..."

What on god's earth is that?

If you know your view of beauty and you know what's in line and what's not, why don't you just wear a custom-made mask? You can change it anytime you like, in case you make a mistake, you know ...

Your view of beauty is defined by others, not yours. Otherwise, you wouldn't mind people pointing fingers at you & laughing at you wearing the mask I just mentioned.

You mind what people say about you and that's why you want to alter your body parts.

I dunno how you look like now but even if you look like you're seriously distorted from a particular norm you're born into, god made you. Don't forget that. God don't make mistake and God made you. Millions of sprems cells and you're the fastest. He is the only one who can decide where you'll be from the heights of heaven to the depths of hell.

Let nature takes it course. Be confident of yourself and everything else will fall into place.

For 5mm bigger, 2mm shorter & 4mm narrower ... you've got to look absolutely ugly ...

Vanity kills. Your spirit or your body, it kills. After your nose job, your eyelid job, your lipo job ... your spirit will be gone.

Go have some spiritual job before you go man... Amitabha...


actually, agree and disagree the abv statement,

agree: your defination of beauty can be a disaster to others view. alot of people who went for a PS turned out looking freaky and unnatural becoz they insisted on certain feature which they thought is nice and they die die wanted to have. however, what is nice on the suoerstars may be unsuitable for u. Dr Jung and Dr sukit have something in common , which is they go for natural looking face and features that enhanced your face not altered it..

disagree: abit harsh critic but frank. root of all problem is not money, woman or beauty, but selfish desire... SEX is empty, EMPTY is SEX :lol:
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Postby tanjhj » Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:31 pm

aloha wrote:hello sundaymorningstaples! oh yea...my post was just something off my thots further to yours so all of us can get more views abt the entire thingy.

anyway hope i'm not shocking anyone but i just called my surgeon to cancel my 730am op scheduled tomorrow.

somehow at the 11th hour today, so coincidentally i bumped into a friend at the most unexpected place and she talked me out of it. She brought up the danger that I may unconsciously become addicted to cosmetic surgeries once i start doing it. I mean I am totally fine with people who feels they want to enhance their physical looks here and there but i guess i am not ready for it now. maybe later maybe never i dunno. but somehow i felt more relieved after cancelling the op so i'm sure that was the right decision at this point. doc was very understanding too and told me not to apologise for the last minute cancellation.

yea...i'm a little sad i won't have those kind of high sharp-tip nose so my envy goes out to all of you there who have what you wanted but i'm still happy la....for now at least =)



the force of the PS dark side is strong.. how long can u resist the temptation. :P if u contd to come to this forum once a while will means that u didnt give it up yet subconciously.. well, give up resisting and join in the bandwagon to skin deep beauty. :twisted:

from what i see from ur posting, ur reason of cancelling the PS is due to F.E.A.R, fear of the unfamiliar and unknown. it is common and perfectly normal, once u see more success cases, the fear will be gone.

"Fear will lead to hate (yourself) and hate(yourself) will lead you to the dark side" : Master Yoda.

thus stop resisting, u are doom to be in the PS wagon eventually.... :twisted:
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:36 pm

=D> Now take that money and go out a buy that outfit you wanted and take a short holiday as well. You deserve it! :cool:

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:52 pm

tanjhj wrote:the force of the PS dark side is strong.. how long can u resist the temptation. :P if u contd to come to this forum once a while will means that u didnt give it up yet subconciously.. well, give up resisting and join in the bandwagon to skin deep beauty. :twisted:

from what i see from ur posting, ur reason of cancelling the PS is due to F.E.A.R, fear of the unfamiliar and unknown. it is common and perfectly normal, once u see more success cases, the fear will be gone.

"Fear will lead to hate (yourself) and hate(yourself) will lead you to the dark side" : Master Yoda.

thus stop resisting, u are doom to be in the PS wagon eventually.... :twisted:


Until now your posts were quite credible. Now, I believe you're one sick puppy! :P :lol:

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Postby tanjhj » Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:23 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
tanjhj wrote:the force of the PS dark side is strong.. how long can u resist the temptation. :P if u contd to come to this forum once a while will means that u didnt give it up yet subconciously.. well, give up resisting and join in the bandwagon to skin deep beauty. :twisted:

from what i see from ur posting, ur reason of cancelling the PS is due to F.E.A.R, fear of the unfamiliar and unknown. it is common and perfectly normal, once u see more success cases, the fear will be gone.

"Fear will lead to hate (yourself) and hate(yourself) will lead you to the dark side" : Master Yoda.

thus stop resisting, u are doom to be in the PS wagon eventually.... :twisted:


Until now your posts were quite credible. Now, I believe you're one sick puppy! :P :lol:


joking l.a.h ... :P



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Postby gartheven2000 » Thu, 16 Nov 2006 1:08 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
gartheven2000 wrote:Btw many pple feel, very illogically, that people who undergone PS somehow carry the obligation to come clean on it. Plezzz.. PS, like most decisions, boils down to cost and benefit. People who do PS do not impinge on others rights, and hence do not own the truth to others!!! In fact, for others to even ask the patient can be construed as a violation of privacy! For instance, is ur guy fren even obliged to tell u his penis is short?!? the Since the PS patient want to maximize the benefit of PS to ownself by mimicking natural beauty, which society values, then the only logical choice is to always deny the PS!!!!


I normally don't get into the actual discussions on this thread unless it's to quell combative posters who start slagging off other posters. However, I'd like to pose a theoretical question to you regarding your statements above.

I tend to agree with you that it is your own personal business as to whether or not you have had PS but only to a certain extent. Let's take it one step further shall we?

Let's assume that you have had quite a few ops to alter or create a falsehood impression to present to others. I say a falsehood as you are still the same person (beautiful or ugly) on the inside. You keep this a secret. You meet a boy/girl as the case may be (I haven't read enough to determine you gender but it's really not material). You fall in love and eventually marry. If you are lucky, you may have children. (Or unlucky more than likely). What happens when your offspring are ugly as sin? (Haven't you impinged on someone else's life with your secrecy?)What happens when you find out that wife/husband is all false front with nothing else just like you and felt the same way as you did and kept it secret?

The old saying that beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone is true. No matter what you do to yourself because of your insecurities or vanity you cannot change your genes. Your offspring will inherit you and your wife/husbands genes and not your operations. How will the children feel when they look into the mirror and see what? Will they wonder if they are freaks? Will they wonder if they are adopted.

Just wondering how this would stand up to your privacy stand. I am not trying to be antagonistic here but I am curious whether all the posters here even thought that far into the future.

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hi SMS, nice to see you here :) actually what i wrote in the highlighted sentence is in the context similar to Dawn Yang's case where people not her loved ones criticize her for "not coming clean". I find this argument spurious. As for your example abt marriage partner, i agree that PS should be disclosed.

My partner marries me for all that i am, including the appearance and the likely quality of the offspring. She (i'm a guy) is a vital stakeholder and hence she owns the right to the truth. Simple as that. However to those that merely undergone minor PS and do not want to disclose to avoid any complications (maybe spouse is ultra anti-PS?), i'm not gonna throw a stone.

So actually up til then we're mostly in agreement. Bu you've said more things i feel uncomfortable with.

"beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone" You seem to interpret "ugly" as genetic ugliness and bones as genes. however Aloha's interpretation that both ugly and bones are spiritual terms is correct. Else beauty would also "go all the way to the bone too (i.e.genes)". And the moral didactic meaning commonly attributed to this phrase wld be absolutely inverted on its head!

And this is the crux....our inner person is still a far better representation of who we are rather than our appearances. Hence your choice of a strong word like "falsehood" would be more appropriate for people who pretend to have good character when they do not. Like i said, i favor disclosure to spouse.

The questions abt children make sense, but only to an extent. Vast majority of PS patients are not very ugly. Even if they are, by undergoing PS, they improve the chances to marry good lookers AND have the children inherit good-looker genes. If it goes 50% good , 50% ugly, the offspring might not even need PS anymore! This is a far better outcome that 2 very ugly people coming together and having high chances of birthing equally very ugly children! Perfectly sensible from utilitarian viewpoint.

Alas, what if the children are very ugly still?? Would it be better they stay around very ugly parents? Or is it better the PSed parents patiently explain the situation and give the kids certain hope they will look as good as the parents when they are mature enuff to go for PS? The answer is obvious.

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Postby candiesboy » Thu, 16 Nov 2006 3:17 am

babydevil85? gay?? wahaah better then ucowards been asking ard since like econs ago and till now not even started ur plastic surgery ? and keep wanting to find ppl go thailand with u ? haiz pathetic cases.. !

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Postby babyevil85 » Thu, 16 Nov 2006 5:07 am

candiesboy wrote:babydevil85? gay?? wahaah better then ucowards been asking ard since like econs ago and till now not even started ur plastic surgery ? and keep wanting to find ppl go thailand with u ? haiz pathetic cases.. !
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i must find a good dr u know ... if not i'll ended up like danny with silicon inside the nose and in changing driffent shape .. I really need to research more .. Sorry lor if i still delaying . I promise u guys i will Quit this after next year june LOL

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Postby Hannah Lee » Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:40 am

iamdanny wrote:
Hannah Lee wrote:Jovin,

you look great, the botox really makes a huge difference. I had my jaw botoxed 2 mths ago and will be going back next month for my 2nd round. I really like the way it looks now, and I want to keep it like this!

Iamdanny,

I had an I shape goretex implant with ear cartilage on the tip.



care to share with me where u did ur botox? i oso wan to do botox on my jaws to soften the muscles... how much is the botox each time?


Iamdanny,

I did mine at Central Clinic 63850520 with Dr. Goh. It was $600......

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Postby aloha » Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:12 pm

haha tat's why i said i'm happy to put off the nose job ... at least for now. i might or might not pick up the thought again i dunno..
i hope i'm still welcomed in this forum. After going through months of research and discussions here and with my friends, i just thought i'd like to share a few personal viewpoints about this whole ps thing.

aside from the sad fact that i can't do a piggy nose with an implant and an almost insignificant fear of breaking my silicone when i engage in sports, i am totally confident towards a rhino ps. the only true blue fear i have is my friend's warning that I might slip into unconscious addiction for more ps once i start doing it once and achieved gd results - which I felt is a good advice. It is good to take a step back for awhile to ask yourself are you sure this is going to be all that you want to be a little more beautiful or is there going to be an unsure horizon of more PS looming ahead just so that you can feel happier about yourself. Yea..i honestly think it is a good thought to ponder on.

Anyway digressing a little and as cliche as it sounds- i think having good clear skin and self confidence is most important :P one really exudes charm when one is confident about him/herself, i've personally seen such charm coming from people who are shortchanged on face beauty.




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aloha wrote:hello sundaymorningstaples! oh yea...my post was just something off my thots further to yours so all of us can get more views abt the entire thingy.

anyway hope i'm not shocking anyone but i just called my surgeon to cancel my 730am op scheduled tomorrow.

somehow at the 11th hour today, so coincidentally i bumped into a friend at the most unexpected place and she talked me out of it. She brought up the danger that I may unconsciously become addicted to cosmetic surgeries once i start doing it. I mean I am totally fine with people who feels they want to enhance their physical looks here and there but i guess i am not ready for it now. maybe later maybe never i dunno. but somehow i felt more relieved after cancelling the op so i'm sure that was the right decision at this point. doc was very understanding too and told me not to apologise for the last minute cancellation.

yea...i'm a little sad i won't have those kind of high sharp-tip nose so my envy goes out to all of you there who have what you wanted but i'm still happy la....for now at least =)



the force of the PS dark side is strong.. how long can u resist the temptation. :P if u contd to come to this forum once a while will means that u didnt give it up yet subconciously.. well, give up resisting and join in the bandwagon to skin deep beauty. :twisted:

from what i see from ur posting, ur reason of cancelling the PS is due to F.E.A.R, fear of the unfamiliar and unknown. it is common and perfectly normal, once u see more success cases, the fear will be gone.

"Fear will lead to hate (yourself) and hate(yourself) will lead you to the dark side" : Master Yoda.

thus stop resisting, u are doom to be in the PS wagon eventually.... :twisted:

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Postby hhw » Thu, 16 Nov 2006 1:42 pm

I was interested in the topic plastic sugery, but then after long time reading ... find out that people in this forum seem to spend most of time on wordings. More than sometimes it is like war of words... :mad: phew! should sign off and even not signing in the forum anymore. May be, that is what the "forum" goes for. So I am out.
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