Plastic and cosmetic surgery abroad

[gartheven2000]

To Jovin-> WOW! Jovin! THANKS for ur generous sharing of ur pictures! It's really an amazing transformation! For much does it all cost in SGD? and how permanent is the botox?? any side effects from any of the surgery so far? once again...thanks...

To katy->Btw many pple feel, very illogically, that people who undergone PS somehow carry the obligation to come clean on it. Plezzz.. PS, like most decisions, boils down to cost and benefit. People who do PS do not impinge on others rights, and hence do not own the truth to others!!! In fact, for others to even ask the patient can be construed as a violation of privacy! For instance, is ur guy fren even obliged to tell u his penis is short?!? the Since the PS patient want to maximize the benefit of PS to ownself by mimicking natural beauty, which society values, then the only logical choice is to always deny the PS!!!!

Btw, i'm not sure but it seems possible L-shaped implant might be coated with goretex for insertion....

[babyevil85]

i am confused over 1 thing. L shaped implant is suppose to make the tip pointed up or down? cos dr seah say if the nose is done too high with L shaped implant the tip will be pointed up like a piggy nose but jovin said that L shaped implant is supposed to make the tip downward such tat the nostrils won't be obvious... kind of confused here?? anyone care to explain?

U wan to know the Ans Dannys , L shap dun point up or down it point Stright forward , Perfect L is stright , Up or down is funny u see its Stright Forward .



Btw Gortex seems to be better then slicon , Hey Who done Gortex surgery before ? care to Intro good Dr to me ?

[babyevil85]

That lady didn't lie. For me, my swell went down after 2 weeks too. But, the guideline is, basic reduction of swell (not obvious to other people) is about 2 weeks, total reduction of swell (not obvious to yourself or even the surgeon himself) is about 3 months. Weather really helps in the recovery. I did my nose last year october, which is quite cooling in Taiwan. The next day after my op, i actually can put on abit of concealer and went out shopping! Nobody stare at me like i'm a freak or what. I don't need to stay at home to avoid people's stare. I'm surprised how well i recovered.



/Jovin

for those who did their nose surgery, how long after the surgery i must wait to see the complete nose shape height n sharpness? is it 3 or 6 or 9 mths to see the complete effect of the nose shape?

3 to 9 months as stated by most medical website and forums. some take only a week or two! hanfong got 1 lady with live video claims her swelling is off after 2 weeks or so.. (of coz may be fake)

hey danny, are u going for botox 1st to try size the your defined jaw?

jovinliu may i ask u where u have done ur nose and wat product Dr use ? care to share more with me ?

[tanjhj]

i am confused over 1 thing. L shaped implant is suppose to make the tip pointed up or down? cos dr seah say if the nose is done too high with L shaped implant the tip will be pointed up like a piggy nose but jovin said that L shaped implant is supposed to make the tip downward such tat the nostrils won't be obvious... kind of confused here?? anyone care to explain?

U wan to know the Ans Dannys , L shap dun point up or down it point Stright forward , Perfect L is stright , Up or down is funny u see its Stright Forward .



Btw Gortex seems to be better then slicon , Hey Who done Gortex surgery before ? care to Intro good Dr to me ?

L shape implant can make the tip of the nose point up or down depending on the nose shape and size and state. also, the skill of the doc and placement of the implant also yield diff result. next is the shape of the L implant. hoever, All implant has a weakeness which is the tip. it is subjected to breakage and risk of extrusion...

thus to prevent any bad side effects, it is advised to have L impant with tipolastry for protection and better looking tip. and open incision methods, for the doc to see better so he can slot in the L implant nice and properly.

[tanjhj]

What a doc wouldnt tell u abt silicone implant and more details of nasal implant.

http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic659.htm

Silicone

Silicone rubber has been used for many years with varying reports of success. Although easy to place, extrusion rates of 24-55% have been reported. A thin fibrous capsule surrounds it with mild chronic foreign body reaction for the lifetime of the implant. It is poorly tolerated in thin-skinned areas and in revision cases. However, good results have been seen in Asian patients; this is possibly related to skin thickness.

(most of the sg ps doc dun really dare to recommend other implants coz they are not trained or updated, most importantly the other material cost much more and are harder to handle during surgery. )

http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstrac ... _ckb_ref_0

good website abt nose surgery

http://www.emedicine.com/plastic/NOSE.htm


One of the disadvantage of silicone implant due to its rigid structure and material. as posted from singaporebrides forum (poster : passingby)

{hi ladies

Any good nose job surgeon for recommendation? As I've went for a nose implant in 2004 and nasal reduction in 2005 done locally. However, someone knocked onto my nose in late 2005 and caused my implant shifted. Hence, I need to re-do my nose But, the surgery was a failure, which resulted a scar on my nose tip - detented. As a result, now I need to do a scar-revision. But, I would like to ask for any good recommendation as this will be my 5th surgery if I would to go for a scar revision and nose implant. Hence, pls help (a reasonable price and good surgeon - I m looking for, as I have spent a total of $20k for nothing) }

[aloha]

thank you iamdanny.
i'm having my op done in sg....at SGH in fact. it's around 2.5, dr leslie kuek/ww charges 4.5.

anyone here has his/her nose job done in sg before??

i'm also a heavy water sports person, can i engage in normal water activities after having a new nose? my op is tomorrow and i intend to go back to work on monday, is it possible?

can someone here who have done nose implants give me some form of assurance that it's just no big deal and i'll definitely be happier after the surgery because i am having my operation this thursday and i'm actually still uncertain abt it

shld i go for I or L implant? the doctor hasn't discussed this with me, is it normal that he will only discuss this on the day of operation?

dun worry so much the surgery is 0 pain to me ... as u can see from my earlier posts b4 my surgery i am so scared of pain that i keep posting here to seek assurance n in the end i did the surgery n i like my new nose... its much sharper n nicer than my prev nose... dun worry i'm sure u will like the effect of rhinoplasty... u doing ur nose with local sg doc or other docs? which doc?



all the best to u

[sundaymorningstaple]

Btw many pple feel, very illogically, that people who undergone PS somehow carry the obligation to come clean on it. Plezzz.. PS, like most decisions, boils down to cost and benefit. People who do PS do not impinge on others rights, and hence do not own the truth to others!!! In fact, for others to even ask the patient can be construed as a violation of privacy! For instance, is ur guy fren even obliged to tell u his penis is short?!? the Since the PS patient want to maximize the benefit of PS to ownself by mimicking natural beauty, which society values, then the only logical choice is to always deny the PS!!!!

I normally don't get into the actual discussions on this thread unless it's to quell combative posters who start slagging off other posters. However, I'd like to pose a theoretical question to you regarding your statements above.

I tend to agree with you that it is your own personal business as to whether or not you have had PS but only to a certain extent. Let's take it one step further shall we?

Let's assume that you have had quite a few ops to alter or create a falsehood impression to present to others. I say a falsehood as you are still the same person (beautiful or ugly) on the inside. You keep this a secret. You meet a boy/girl as the case may be (I haven't read enough to determine you gender but it's really not material). You fall in love and eventually marry. If you are lucky, you may have children. (Or unlucky more than likely). What happens when your offspring are ugly as sin? (Haven't you impinged on someone else's life with your secrecy?)What happens when you find out that wife/husband is all false front with nothing else just like you and felt the same way as you did and kept it secret?

The old saying that beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone is true. No matter what you do to yourself because of your insecurities or vanity you cannot change your genes. Your offspring will inherit you and your wife/husbands genes and not your operations. How will the children feel when they look into the mirror and see what? Will they wonder if they are freaks? Will they wonder if they are adopted.

Just wondering how this would stand up to your privacy stand. I am not trying to be antagonistic here but I am curious whether all the posters here even thought that far into the future.

sms

[yen2006]

[quote="aloha"]thank you iamdanny.
i'm having my op done in sg....at SGH in fact. it's around 2.5, dr leslie kuek/ww charges 4.5.

anyone here has his/her nose job done in sg before??

i'm also a heavy water sports person, can i engage in normal water activities after having a new nose? my op is tomorrow and i intend to go back to work on monday, is it possible?


Hi loha,
maybe you can consult Dr KK lim at Jalan Sultan for free, his good in nose & eyes, charges only $1500 for nose

rgds

[candiesboy]

i am confused over 1 thing. L shaped implant is suppose to make the tip pointed up or down? cos dr seah say if the nose is done too high with L shaped implant the tip will be pointed up like a piggy nose but jovin said that L shaped implant is supposed to make the tip downward such tat the nostrils won't be obvious... kind of confused here?? anyone care to explain?

U wan to know the Ans Dannys , L shap dun point up or down it point Stright forward , Perfect L is stright , Up or down is funny u see its Stright Forward .



Btw Gortex seems to be better then slicon , Hey Who done Gortex surgery before ? care to Intro good Dr to me ?

hihi babyevil85 i have been a silent reader here for soetimes. Just wondering cos i have been looking thru the pages and it seems uwanted to do ur eye or nose but u have not even started yet? And danny has been asking but he did? But why u dont wanna start as fast as possible then to asking around? for me i did my nose and eye , i think trusting ur doc is better then asking around right ?

[babyevil85]

i am confused over 1 thing. L shaped implant is suppose to make the tip pointed up or down? cos dr seah say if the nose is done too high with L shaped implant the tip will be pointed up like a piggy nose but jovin said that L shaped implant is supposed to make the tip downward such tat the nostrils won't be obvious... kind of confused here?? anyone care to explain?

U wan to know the Ans Dannys , L shap dun point up or down it point Stright forward , Perfect L is stright , Up or down is funny u see its Stright Forward .



Btw Gortex seems to be better then slicon , Hey Who done Gortex surgery before ? care to Intro good Dr to me ?

hihi babyevil85 i have been a silent reader here for soetimes. Just wondering cos i have been looking thru the pages and it seems uwanted to do ur eye or nose but u have not even started yet? And danny has been asking but he did? But why u dont wanna start as fast as possible then to asking around? for me i did my nose and eye , i think trusting ur doc is better then asking around right ?

Dude, Singapore Dr cant be trusted , The way they are using is not Advance , Taiwan is the one i going for .. And i asking till april for me to squeez my trigger to go for it okie .


Lucky i ask , if not thailand trip will be wasted ..

Lucky i ask , i maded some friend to go taiwan with me

lucky i ask , i got time to save up money for my surgery

Lucky i ask , I got more knowage of Gortex product which is better then silicon.


Lucky i ask , i know some gay friend

[aloha]

when we talk about "beauty is only skin deep, ugly goes all the way", i would assume that we're talking about ugliness of the human character. A genuinely kind/good-natured person going through ps to obtain outer beauty will not alter the fact that he/she is still the still good person inside.

And besides, even though it's statistically low, naturally beautiful couples can give birth to ugly-looking offsprings as well. In the context of a couple intending to grow old together, I feel that it is up to their own comfort zone whether or not to reveal that they have gone under the knife. I mean when you're really to settle down with someone, it is only natural that you will talk about anything and everything under the sun and secrets would be openly shared. The topic of ever having PS done before would simply be an automatic "secret" (I wouldn't even think it is considered a secret but i can't think of a better term right now) that you would tell your spouse naturally and not something that you have to contemplate on revealing.

I guess there will still be majority more than minority who would refer to surgeon-ed faces as falsehoods because of the conservation mindset. Orthodontic patients go all the way to change the physical appearance of teeth and after 2 yrs of having the braces, the results of straight almost-perfect teeth has never been regarded as falsehood.

It is really a two-sided coin issue but personally....personally...i feel that one shouldn't deny or even feel relunctant to admit that he/she has done ps if he/she was questioned because the fact is you have done it. However if you were complimented for having a beautiful face, i don't see a need to go into unnecessary automatic explanation that it was actually due to ps because that would be uncalled for, get what i mean?

Btw many pple feel, very illogically, that people who undergone PS somehow carry the obligation to come clean on it. Plezzz.. PS, like most decisions, boils down to cost and benefit. People who do PS do not impinge on others rights, and hence do not own the truth to others!!! In fact, for others to even ask the patient can be construed as a violation of privacy! For instance, is ur guy fren even obliged to tell u his penis is short?!? the Since the PS patient want to maximize the benefit of PS to ownself by mimicking natural beauty, which society values, then the only logical choice is to always deny the PS!!!!

I normally don't get into the actual discussions on this thread unless it's to quell combative posters who start slagging off other posters. However, I'd like to pose a theoretical question to you regarding your statements above.

I tend to agree with you that it is your own personal business as to whether or not you have had PS but only to a certain extent. Let's take it one step further shall we?

Let's assume that you have had quite a few ops to alter or create a falsehood impression to present to others. I say a falsehood as you are still the same person (beautiful or ugly) on the inside. You keep this a secret. You meet a boy/girl as the case may be (I haven't read enough to determine you gender but it's really not material). You fall in love and eventually marry. If you are lucky, you may have children. (Or unlucky more than likely). What happens when your offspring are ugly as sin? (Haven't you impinged on someone else's life with your secrecy?)What happens when you find out that wife/husband is all false front with nothing else just like you and felt the same way as you did and kept it secret?

The old saying that beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone is true. No matter what you do to yourself because of your insecurities or vanity you cannot change your genes. Your offspring will inherit you and your wife/husbands genes and not your operations. How will the children feel when they look into the mirror and see what? Will they wonder if they are freaks? Will they wonder if they are adopted.

Just wondering how this would stand up to your privacy stand. I am not trying to be antagonistic here but I am curious whether all the posters here even thought that far into the future.

sms

[Hannah Lee]

Jovin,

you look great, the botox really makes a huge difference. I had my jaw botoxed 2 mths ago and will be going back next month for my 2nd round. I really like the way it looks now, and I want to keep it like this!

Iamdanny,

I had an I shape goretex implant with ear cartilage on the tip.

[Hannah Lee]

Btw many pple feel, very illogically, that people who undergone PS somehow carry the obligation to come clean on it. Plezzz.. PS, like most decisions, boils down to cost and benefit. People who do PS do not impinge on others rights, and hence do not own the truth to others!!! In fact, for others to even ask the patient can be construed as a violation of privacy! For instance, is ur guy fren even obliged to tell u his penis is short?!? the Since the PS patient want to maximize the benefit of PS to ownself by mimicking natural beauty, which society values, then the only logical choice is to always deny the PS!!!!

I normally don't get into the actual discussions on this thread unless it's to quell combative posters who start slagging off other posters. However, I'd like to pose a theoretical question to you regarding your statements above.

I tend to agree with you that it is your own personal business as to whether or not you have had PS but only to a certain extent. Let's take it one step further shall we?

Let's assume that you have had quite a few ops to alter or create a falsehood impression to present to others. I say a falsehood as you are still the same person (beautiful or ugly) on the inside. You keep this a secret. You meet a boy/girl as the case may be (I haven't read enough to determine you gender but it's really not material). You fall in love and eventually marry. If you are lucky, you may have children. (Or unlucky more than likely). What happens when your offspring are ugly as sin? (Haven't you impinged on someone else's life with your secrecy?)What happens when you find out that wife/husband is all false front with nothing else just like you and felt the same way as you did and kept it secret?

The old saying that beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone is true. No matter what you do to yourself because of your insecurities or vanity you cannot change your genes. Your offspring will inherit you and your wife/husbands genes and not your operations. How will the children feel when they look into the mirror and see what? Will they wonder if they are freaks? Will they wonder if they are adopted.

Just wondering how this would stand up to your privacy stand. I am not trying to be antagonistic here but I am curious whether all the posters here even thought that far into the future.

sms

This is an issue that I've been dwelling on too. But I feel like unless you had a MAJOR overhaul like Dawn Yang, you don't really owe any explanations to your potential partners about your nose or eye job. She really looks like a completely different person, but most people who got their eyes or nose done don't really look that drastically different that people would look at their future offspring and wonder what the hell happened there.

I had my nose done 5 months ago, and it makes me look better but not different to the point that most people notice. In fact, alot of my friends just thought I lost weight or something, they can't quite put their finger on why I look different.

I think its creepy to transform your entire face or ethnicity the way Dawn did, because her kids will really not look anything like her, but that's just a bridge she has to cross when the day comes. I guess when you're 21 you don't really think of all the consequences involved......

I started seeing someone after I got my new nose, I suppose at some point I'd like to come clean about how the nose he thinks is so pretty is really the handiwork of a good korean surgeon. But I wasn't a disaster before the nose job, so I don't really think its a huge deal. And you're right, beauty is only skin deep but ugly seeps right through to the bone. And as long as I know that it doesn't apply to me, I feel fine with tweaking what my momma gave me. Just a little bit though......

[yen2006]

Hi Jovin,
can I know you choose the height of implant or the doctor did?

u ask for a high bridge or natural?

how much mm increase in the bridge?


rgds

[sonic_gal]

Hey everyone,

Been following this forum for sometime now and am particularly interested in having some eyelid and nose jobs done in Korea.

I agree with Rabbit that Dr. Jung's view of beauty is not totally in line with mine, and that Dr. Kim's (CK Clinic) is more atune to feminine's beauty concept. However, having heard both good and aftercare horror stories of Dr. Kim from various members of this forum, I've started to rethink my options.

I recalled somebody mentioned Jelimps clinic in Kangnam (www.jelimps.com) to be also good and cheaper to BK Clinic. And when browsing for some PRs for plastic surgerons in Seoul, I bumped into this doctor's name a whole lot, Dr. Chung Jong Pil, who runs Cinderalla Plastic Surgery Clinic. After many sleepless night, I chanced upon his website: , lo and behold, it's only in korean:
www.cindyclinic.com

So, my friends, since ideally I'd fly to Korea in the second week of Dec, I'd appreciate what you all think of a reliable surgeon in Korea for both eyelid and nose job. I also ran into this OZ Clinic which was never mentioned in this forum previously:
http://drpark.co.kr/eng/sub01.htm


Thanks again for all the encouragement, support and advise. Keep up the good work