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Postby jovinliu » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 4:57 pm

If your reply is "most impt muz look gd after the surgery n nt uglier", you better think thrice before really go for any surgery. You are painting a perfect picture, not taking into considerations risks and complications. Who says that everyone looks better after surgeries? There are people who look worse than before, can you accept the fact?

Some surgeries are reversible, like nose implant or the "clipping" method for double eyelid. Understand more about the risk from your surgeon (not from us, please. We are not professionals in this field), then make a decision YOURSELF. Don't do it to please someone, or do it for someone's sake. And worse, don't give in to hard-selling from surgeons. If a surgeon tells you he *guarantees* that the result will be fantastic, you better have a second opinion.

p/s: I don't understand your question "u took how long to heal to normal skin?". Healing is internal, not on the surface....



/Jovin

iamdanny wrote:hi ocean 11 thanks for the reply... hmmm cos i stil tinking if i shd proceed my nose surgery with a sg doc or nt lor.. scare of many things.. pain and the healing part most impt muz look gd after the surgery n nt uglier... sigh.... dunno where toget the courage from.... u took how long to heal to normal skin? n how many days aft ur surgery ur nose heal le? n is it painful to u during the op n aft the anesthetic go off? sorry for so many qns
Hmmm... what should I do next? Cheekbone reduction maybe?

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Postby jovinliu » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 5:04 pm

Hi,

I can't really agree with you. If silicon stays separate from our flesh, what's holding it in place then? Even a scratch on your nose or a dig in the nostril will dis-lodge it :) Yes, your body will treat the implant as a foreign body will develop fibrous tissues to surround it, hence providing a cushion for the implant and holding it in place.

I'm not sure if silicon is a more common option for surgeons, but in Taiwan, most of the good surgeons use either gortex or cartilage. No doubt there's still surgeons who use silicon for whatsoever reason, but I'm quite sure the trend is moving (or already moved) towards gortex.



/Jovin



black_creamer wrote:Hey Katy,

I think silicon stays seperated from ur flesh, whereas gortex fuses with the flesh in time. Hence, silicon maybe more obvious under the skin, but gortex is more difficult to remove if you decide to do so at a later date... Mine was silicon, and i think still the more common option for surgeons. :D
Hmmm... what should I do next? Cheekbone reduction maybe?

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Postby miumiu » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 7:57 pm

does anybody have any recommendations for dimples surgery? and how much does it cost normally>

also, who is this KK Lim that you guys have been talkin' about? What's the company's name and whereabouts?

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Postby katy » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 8:27 pm

[quote="jovinliu"]Hi,

I can't really agree with you. If silicon stays separate from our flesh, what's holding it in place then? Even a scratch on your nose or a dig in the nostril will dis-lodge it :) Yes, your body will treat the implant as a foreign body will develop fibrous tissues to surround it, hence providing a cushion for the implant and holding it in place.

I'm not sure if silicon is a more common option for surgeons, but in Taiwan, most of the good surgeons use either gortex or cartilage. No doubt there's still surgeons who use silicon for whatsoever reason, but I'm quite sure the trend is moving (or already moved) towards gortex.



/Jovin



[quote="black_creamer"]Hey Katy,

I think silicon stays seperated from ur flesh, whereas gortex fuses with the flesh in time. Hence, silicon maybe more obvious under the skin, but gortex is more difficult to remove if you decide to do so at a later date... Mine was silicon, and i think still the more common option for surgeons. :D[/quote][/quote]

From what I know with silicon, its held in place by scar tissue forming AROUND it.
whereas with gortex, your tissue grows into it. Hence its said to be more difficult to remove goretex if u had it for many yrs.

In Singapore, surgeons still prefer silicon cos it can be removed easily. I personally prefer silicon, but Dr Jung uses goretex..

Regarding silicon complication. Its rare and only happen if the surgeon skill is no good or u just sway to kena infection.
Lotsa people had silicon for years with no prob ...

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goretex

Postby katy » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 8:41 pm

Goretex :

Gore-Tex™, (yes, it is the same kind of material we find in our ski and camping outfits) the generic name is actually "expanded-polytetrafluoroethylene" (e-PTFE for short). Polytetrafluoroethylene is commonly known as Teflon®.

Because it is "expanded", it has a micro-porosity (little tiny pores throughout the material) that is large enough to allow for tissue ingrowth without forming typical scar tissue encapsulation. '

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Postby black_creamer » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 8:59 pm

Hi Jovin,
Apologies, yah, meant to say that the scar tissues will hold the silicon in place. Anyway, pros and cons with both silicon & gortex.

I suppose silicon comes in different shapes n forms also - like mine is not white, but flesh colored (Dr Fok showed me a whole range of skin colored silicon implants of various tones) - if its white, there is a possibility that it will show thru ur skin under bright light/sun. Also, its not hard like plastic, but kinda rubbery - reminds me of the rubber door stoppers u can get at the pasar malams... :roll: - and yes, i thought it was gortex initially, but i checked and its silicon.

Iamdanny - to answer ur qtn, my procedure was just a simple L shaped implant with Dr Fok, from Vida Medical (at Paragon).
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Postby Hannah Lee » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 8:59 pm

Chiquita: Now that I have a bridge between my eyes I don't really notice a diff in how my eyes look. At first I thought they looked closer together but perhaps that was due to the swelling I had? Maybe after the swelling has gone down so it looks more normal. And I totally agree with you. A good nose job should fit your face. Big face should have bigger nose and vice versa. Some ppl have the mentality that picking a new nose is like shopping out of a catalogue. I think its a good idea to show ur doc pics of ur ideal nose but keep in mind that he can't give u the same nose if ur nose structure isn't like that to begin with. They're surgeons not magicians.

Katy: I did send Dr Jung pics for my online consultation. And I didn't call him at all just corresponded thru email. After I was picked up at the airport I went straight to his clinic and had a consultation. He showed me before and afters that were similar to my nose and discussed my expectations etc. He took my before pics from all angles then put them on his computer and asked me to point out what I dun like etc. Then it was into surgery an hour later. He didn't take my after pics cuz I left Seoul too soon. Oh yeah and he is an ENT specialist so he only does rhinoplasty.

Ocean 11: Didn't mean to frighten u! There are lots of ppl with silicone who've had it for a long time and have no complications. And I read somewhere that asian skin is thicker so it tolerates implants better than ppl with thin skin. In the States the docs prefer to use autologous cartilage for augmentation. Alot of them won't use silicone or goretex for augmentation unless u have a severe congenital defect or were in a serious accident or something.

Speaking of docs in the States, I had a consultation with a top ENT surgeon in New York and he quoted me US$6K for alar reduction alone and US$10K for augmentation too. Whew! A bit too pricey for me..... another concern for me was that I wanted a doc who was specialized in Asian rhinoplasty.....and since most docs in NY do Caucasian noses I was a lil worried. So Dr. Jung seemed like the perfect solution....only US$4K and he's done thousands of Asian noses. The not so good thing is that Koreans have a kind of cavalier attitude towards plastic surgery. My boyfriend and I joke that Dr. Jung runs a nose factory and mine was made on an assembly line. Slap on some goretex, stick on ear cartilage on the tip and voila! New nose. But joking aside, I think he knows what he's doing and so far (cross my fingers) I like my new nose.

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Postby Healin » Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:21 pm

hi saw1,
i cant pm..

btw i jz did my ops a wk ago so now still veri ugly...as the fold has not come down yet...
so no pt showin pic

y dun u go bk to ur doc to ask him for advice since u feel uncomfortable abt ur eyes?

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Postby saw1 » Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:35 am

icic. how they go abt using laser method ?
sort of stitching?

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Postby young_princess » Wed, 28 Jun 2006 3:08 am

Hi hannah! which nyc surgeon are you referring to? I'm thinking of having mine done in US instead but still looking for the best surgeon who's experienced with asians as well.

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Postby shashi » Wed, 28 Jun 2006 8:17 am

It's been exactly 2 weeks after I've had my nose done, I've got one of those L shape implants as well. I've noticed that the tip of my nose is slightly pinkish if I look at it very closely and also when I touch the tip, it feels very hard as well. I'm quite worried that mine is slightly protruding. Does anybody got the same problem? Please help! I'm panicking now!

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Postby Hannah Lee » Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:23 am

Young princess: I saw Dr. Geoffrey Tobias in NY. He's also an ENT specialist who only does rhinoplasty. Dean Toriumi in Chicago is also supposed to be one of the best but he's even more expensive. He was at Dr. Jung's clinic a while ago giving a workshop. Dr. Tobias' website is www.rhinoplasty.com but I dunno how experienced he is with asian noses. He didn't have alot of before and after pics of asians to show me.

Shashi: My nose tip was extremely red when Dr. Jung took my cast off. I was really worried but now I'm also 2 weeks post op and its much better. There's still a bit of redness at the tip but its gone down alot. Dr. Jung said its normal and will go away.

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Postby shashi » Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:19 am

Hannah, thanks for your quick reply. I feel abit better now. Can you also feel the implant when you touch the nose tip as well?

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Postby iamdanny » Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:25 am

jovinliu wrote:If your reply is "most impt muz look gd after the surgery n nt uglier", you better think thrice before really go for any surgery. You are painting a perfect picture, not taking into considerations risks and complications. Who says that everyone looks better after surgeries? There are people who look worse than before, can you accept the fact?

Some surgeries are reversible, like nose implant or the "clipping" method for double eyelid. Understand more about the risk from your surgeon (not from us, please. We are not professionals in this field), then make a decision YOURSELF. Don't do it to please someone, or do it for someone's sake. And worse, don't give in to hard-selling from surgeons. If a surgeon tells you he *guarantees* that the result will be fantastic, you better have a second opinion.

p/s: I don't understand your question "u took how long to heal to normal skin?". Healing is internal, not on the surface....



/Jovin

iamdanny wrote:hi ocean 11 thanks for the reply... hmmm cos i stil tinking if i shd proceed my nose surgery with a sg doc or nt lor.. scare of many things.. pain and the healing part most impt muz look gd after the surgery n nt uglier... sigh.... dunno where toget the courage from.... u took how long to heal to normal skin? n how many days aft ur surgery ur nose heal le? n is it painful to u during the op n aft the anesthetic go off? sorry for so many qns




i wan to do a nose surgery is for myself to improve my looks nt for someone this is for sure... as for the healing part i mean wil the swelling n bruising tke very long time to return to normal skin color ?

i know all surgeries gt risks n some ppl do lok uglier aft the op so i am taking a risk here la... cos i really dun like my nose since young so i am very determined to get a nose job but then i lack of courage here... i know if i suay the after op results nt nice i can stil take out the implant cos the op i going for is a simple I or L shaped implant wich is reversible

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Postby iamdanny » Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:26 am

shashi wrote:It's been exactly 2 weeks after I've had my nose done, I've got one of those L shape implants as well. I've noticed that the tip of my nose is slightly pinkish if I look at it very closely and also when I touch the tip, it feels very hard as well. I'm quite worried that mine is slightly protruding. Does anybody got the same problem? Please help! I'm panicking now!



wich doc u went to for surgery and how much is ur op? care to share? thanks cos i oso wan to do L shaped implant but scared of the silicone protrude out at the tip


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