Plastic and cosmetic surgery abroad

mountain · Post by **mountain** » Tue, 17 Jan 2006 1:32 am

HI RAbbit,

Checked case 865 already.
sorry for the delay..have been sick with cold.

I agree with you..do not particularly like
this bridge..but may be because it's still swollen?

do you have other cases you want me to check?

Rabbit · Post by **Rabbit** » Tue, 17 Jan 2006 2:16 am

Hi Mountain,

The other one you may like to take a look is the latest case 973, just posted today. The bridge looks not so bad (straight and paralle), at least got some curve.

But I kind of sense the the patient is not very happy with the surgery, she seems from before, some smile, to after no smile. She looks disappointed man... there are other case also look like that, not sure if they are not satisfy or what. Do you think so? Sorry, asking stupid question here.

Hi Wenhwa,

Just to share with you my experience (consultation only) with Dr. Huang. He looks professional and he hear out what you want. He would also show before and after pix upon request. But they are on computer screen too, so you can really have it upclose in front of you to examine, also the consultation goes by time, so the longer you look, the $ it cost...

I requested to have my nose lengthened, alar reduction and some augmentation if possible. I requested to use my own cartilage (septum). He said the bridge will not be able to use septum cartilage as it will not straight and long enough, need to use silicon implant. Since there's some part is implant, may as well all use implant.

And to my surprise, even all implant, he quoted me S$11K and surgery time 4hrs. The cost is even higher than Korea incl airfare... plus the point that he don't use autolog cartilage, I decided to rule him out as my option. For your consideration pls.

Rdgs,
Rabbit

giraffe · Post by **giraffe** » Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:06 am

That is pricey! Does that include hospital fees, anesthesia fees and follow-up fees????????? And if you have to go back to a revision does it include that too?

mountain · Post by **mountain** » Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:07 pm

HI Mountain,

I checked out case 973
the bridge has some curves
not completely parallel you're right..

do you like her nose?

which case do you particularly like?

about your comment that she doesn't look happy
well she was smiling before but she's not smiling anymore

I wonder why...the swelling maybe..
but if they're not happy don't you think they would put it
on his website?

I'm shocked though by what Dr huang quoted you.
that's very expensive...

you might as well go to Korea for that price..
also have you asked other korean nose clinics?

Dr Jung seems experienced with revisions though..
you only have 1 face of course you should be sure..

do most of the cases show parallel shaped nose?

mountain · Post by **mountain** » Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:34 pm

Rabbit,
what do you think of cases 880 and 878?

Rabbit · Post by **Rabbit** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:55 am

Hi Giraffe,

I guess the fee quoted by Dr. Huang is for operations only, for post-op check, it should be separate charge if I remember correctly. As for revision. I did asked this question. Probably it's one of the most popular question, his answer was, also very skillful. "We would need to communicate thoroughly on the expected result before the ops and if the result is unsatisfactory and is due to my fault, of course I will help to rectify, but if it's due to changed of preference, of course it's not incl'ed." Guess he need to protect himself from those easily change their mind kind of patient ba.

Hi Mountain,

I've looked thru' 880 and 878. Mmm... I guess 880 is not bad if the patient request for a natural look. But if I were the her, I would expect the nose to be done more prominently, so that it can beautify the whole face, the current one is obviously improved and match with the person's face too...but is still a bit "lao tu". As for 878, it's no good la... the parellel lines again. Don't like it. Ya, you are right, quite a no. of cases done by Dr. Jung are those typical parallel lines bridge, so I'm not sure if I want to go to him. Have recently seen all the video by BK (after MyNose's recommendation, thx! ^_^). May consider going there instead, the noses look more curvy, seems much better, but it's not very clear in the videos. Target surgery date: end Feb 06!

Rdgs,
Ellen

jovinliu · Post by **jovinliu** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:01 am

I don't think it's a MUST. A "must" means you have to do so, if not you will risk some legal charges against you. But afterall, showing you the before and after photos from some previous operations means you will get the same results? I don't think so. Maybe yes, for providing a guideline on the taste and skill of the PS, but definitely not expecting exactly the same results. And also, as extracted from part of Rabbit's previous post, "Just to share with you my experience (consultation only) with Dr. Huang. He looks professional and he hear out what you want. He would also show before and after pix <u>upon request</u>."

But maybe, this "MUST" rule applies to Singapore PS. I have never gone to any PS in Singapore, even for consultation, so i may not have the full picture. But what i will say is, if you do your op in Singapore, then maybe yes the doctor must show you his previous successful cases. But if you are going to do it overseas, you have to REQUEST unless the doc initiate to show you. It is not a "must" in Taiwan.

/Jovin

giraffe wrote:From all my research they always say it is a must for the doc to show before/after pics of their patients. If they don't show then you shouldn't go ahead with them. Look at the plastic surgery associations advice..even they state something like that.

jovinliu · Post by **jovinliu** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:34 am

Hi,

Sorry, i got nothing against you, but i just can't help but comment. First of all, it is expected to pay more if you prefer to perform a plastic surgery procedure in Singapore. From my research (only in Singapore, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea), Singapore is listed the top for the most expensive country to perform a plastic surgery, Korea is second (but the price, since they charge US$ and after factoring accomodation and air tickets it may be even more ex than Singapore), Taiwan comes in the 3rd place and Thailand is the cheapest.

Dr. Wu charges about $6k for a simple rhinoplasty, Dr. Huang's reputation and skills is said to be as good as Dr. Wu, so if something more than a rhinoplasty is performed, it is considered normal for him to charge $11k. And, PS will not include consultation, medication fee and other misc fee in their quotation, it is also not normal to do so. So, end up if you really want to have a Martin-Huang-nose, it's normal you have to fork out $12k.

This is my own point of view: In Singapore, we have Martin Huang and Woffles Wu as pioneer of plastic surgery. There are equally good and famous PS in other countries too, and if they charge cheaper, it doesn't warrant a compromise in quality and skill. Take for example Dr. Sukit from Yanhee and Dr. Jiang from Taipei (this guy reallllyyyy famous there), count the number of happy and satisfied patients. Dr. Jiang is as good as Martin Huang, but he don't charge as high. I have a few friends who did their nose and eyes with him, and they were happy with the results. I was even told to stop telling people about Dr. Jiang, or they end up not being able to get an appointment with him next time! But at the end of the day, you decide which doctor you want to go to, and it's solely your decision, not others'.

/Jovin

giraffe wrote:That is pricey! Does that include hospital fees, anesthesia fees and follow-up fees????????? And if you have to go back to a revision does it include that too?

mountain · Post by **mountain** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:49 am

Hi Rabbit,

I agree with you regarding those cases...

have you talked to Dr Jung and asked about this matter?
may be he can shape the nose more curvy
if you request him??

Is BK another hospital in Korea
or is it Bangkok..
are they good at revisions?
sorry for my igonrance

I think there are 2 or other Korean nose clinics posted on this
website also..
may be you can find out more...
you only have 1 nose of course you have to be careful...

keep me posted:)

giraffe · Post by **giraffe** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:01 am

My comment (they MUST show before/after pics) is based on what I got from US and Canadian doctors. I will be moving to Singapore in Feb. and I am trying to get a feel of what it is like there.

I am worried about Yanhee hospital in Thailand because they mostly do augmentation and what I need is a nose reduction. Since Dr. Martin Huang and Dr Wu have both worked abroad I assume they will be more competent with non-Asian noses.

"Singapore is listed the top for the most expensive country to perform a plastic surgery.."

You mean just in South East Asia, right? I checked out prices at Bumrungrad in Thailand and they are over 4000 USD!

I don't understand why follow-up is not covered in the surgery fee. Surgeons can charge exorbitant amounts for surgeries but charging again for the follow-up visits during your recovery (ie, to remove your splint, etc) is quite nasty and leaves me with a very poor impression.

Are there docs of equal calibre in other hospitals in Singapore?

giraffe · Post by **giraffe** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:05 am

And the doctor should do revision (BOTCHED nose jobs) at NO charge. We might have to pay for the anesthesia and hospital charges but NOT the docs fees though. By this I mean getting clearly what you never asked for (ie, lumpy areas...and NOT what falls in that grey area). This is what they do in North America. I hope it is the same in Singapore.

Rabbit · Post by **Rabbit** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 8:25 pm

Hi Mountain,

I haven't discussed all my concerns with Dr. Jung since I haven't gone for a face to face consultation. When I decided to go to him, I may send him the nose that I aspire to be and past cases that I don't want to end up with via email and ask if he is confident in getting me what I want.

BK is another clinic in Korea, not Bangkok. It's the one where MyNose went to for her surgery. Guess it stands for Beauty Korea as per the web-site.

My evaluation in why travelling aboard to do PS is, I think one of the most impt thing is experience. In SG, since PS is still very much a taboo, the no. of case, say nose, even the most famous doc may only did a fraction of the no. of case as compare to the one in Korea. So after my unsatisfy alar reduction and the consultation with Dr. Huang (may be he showed me at most 10 - 15 cases b4 and after pix). I already decided to go aboard. Just to share my 2 cents of thought...

Rdgs,
Rabbit

Rabbit · Post by **Rabbit** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 8:28 pm

Hi Jovin,

Sorry, I remember you've posted the contact of the 3 famous PS in Taiwan incl Dr. Hsu (the one you went to), Dr. Chang and Dr. Jiang. But I seems could only find the web-site of Dr. Chang, does Dr. Jiang has a web-site too showing b4 and after photos? Thx for your advice.

Rdgs,
Rabbit

wine87 · Post by **wine87** » Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:48 pm

may i know if i-shape silicon implant is able to increase the length of my nose bridge too? by.. pushing slightly downwards..
or only a l-shape silicon is capable..

i was thinking if the parameters is minute, there should be no worry of perforating..

thanks

giraffe · Post by **giraffe** » Thu, 19 Jan 2006 1:45 am

Rabbit did you have the alar reduction with Dr Huang? Why are you unsatisfied with it? Did you want more reduced? When you had the consultation do you think you communicated what you wanted clearly?

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