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Postby huggybear » Sun, 22 Apr 2007 6:50 pm

EADG wrote:
ever notice how often your DOB or NRIC is requested for such mundane things as lucky draws? how casually people request and offer private information, how the lack of awareness of personal privacy is oblivious to most here?


i just lie. funny how they never check. i make up my name and my register #.

racism is subtle. you have no idea what they're saying behind your back. i did have one person who thought i am brown because i didn't take a shower. i didn't know what to say only because i was so stunned. but yea the locals really look up to the caucasians to the point where it's unhealthy.

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Postby huggybear » Sun, 22 Apr 2007 6:52 pm

ssssssooooorrrrriiiieeeeee!!!!

one example is my coworkers think that caucasians are just much better looking than asians and it's the facial features and this and that.

i didn't have the energy or the time to get into the brainwashing by the media and that maybe they were warped into thinking that way. but i think this guy on Lost, the korean dude is helping to redefine what is considered sexy. still waiting for the hollywood movies to not portray asians as the nerdy smart unsexy unvirile type. that's annoying.

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Postby ah heng » Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:15 pm

but yea the locals really look up to the caucasians to the point where it's unhealthy.[/quote]


Coz we look up upon caucasian so badly, coz we admire your looks and your intelligence:
thats why we laugh and giggle about you to cover our inferiority complex?

Thats what most of you actually think but not dare to admit???
To delight you I am out of here. nonsense.

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Postby Leela » Mon, 23 Apr 2007 6:52 pm

ah heng wrote:thats why we laugh and giggle about you to cover our inferiority complex?


So why exactly do you laugh at Caucasians? Do you think that you are better than them?

I don't think that anyone has the right to laugh at another person because they look different. That is racist. It makes no difference if it's an Asian laughing at a Caucasian or a Caucasian laughing at an Asian.

I am a Caucasian female and have met many locals at classes in different community centres. They have been friendly towards me and they don't laugh at me or look up to me. They seem to treat me the same way they treat other locals. I guess that it all depends on your attitude and how you talk to other people.

I find it ironic that in Western countries women buy beauty creams that contain a bronzer in order to get a brown skin and in Asian countries women buy similar creams that contain a whitening agent. It goes to show that people are never happy with the way they are and they think that the grass is always greener on the other side.

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Re: Singaporeans and Caucasians

Postby pedro » Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:55 am

marc wrote:welcome to everybody,

lots of friends reinforced my impression that an increasing number of Singaporean
try to make you feel uncomfortable in the
public by laughing once they see a
caucasian. They try hard to irritate you whenever possible...
Is that a false perception or did you make similar experiences?


Sometimes I am sick of this sort of behaviour - its annoying. At some point I even thought of quitting my job and heading back home.

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Postby Marlowe » Fri, 27 Apr 2007 3:27 pm

i've NEVER felt nervous, laughed at, picked on, etc., in Singapore. locals have always been gracious and nice. and just like anywhere, there are a certain amount of people i'm indifferent to or find annoying, and i'm sure they find me either indifferent or annoying, but i doubt it has anything to do with my race.

i'm sure there are cases (such as some of the posts we've seen here) where locals think expats are taking best jobs, are neo-imperialists, etc., but singapore is one of the 2 or 3 most open countries in the world, which reflects very well upon the locals who understand that their success is tied to how they interact with others around them.

most expat caucasians are from europe of the US, and it's good for you to be living in a place where you're in the minority so you can get a sense of how it's like for minorities in your own country. and believe me, you will face a lot less scrutiny, glances, or hostility than minorities do in your respective home countries.

we are hard-wired to view people as being a part of a group, but we should all strive to take people as the individuals they are and treat each other with the respect that everyone deserves. and if someone doesn't extend the same to you, strive to have the presence of mind to not let it get to you.

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Postby huggybear » Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:09 am

Marlowe wrote:i'm sure there are cases (such as some of the posts we've seen here) where locals think expats are taking best jobs, are neo-imperialists, etc., but singapore is one of the 2 or 3 most open countries in the world, which reflects very well upon the locals who understand that their success is tied to how they interact with others around them.


people tend to forget what things were like back home. In the states, people are upset over jobs being lost to Asia. And here in singapore people are upset over jobs being lost to foreigners. I guess everyone is just mad hahahaha. maybe if people stopped blaming everyone else for their problems and used a little introspection...

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Postby sourisso » Mon, 30 Apr 2007 3:36 pm

second time around wrote:And by the way, I've heard from several Chinese friends that the term ang moh can indeed be considered insulting, depending on how it's used.


yeah, im french caucasian and my gf is chinese and when i told her about "ang mo", she told me to stop saying that, its a bad word. but yet in my experience i noticed that every single chinese or almost will use that term. well, we have similar terms on our side for asians, even if less people use them, so, maybe its fair.

me and her, we get extra attention from almost everyone since im caucasian and she's chinese, bla bla bla.
I stare at people when they stare at me, to make them understand get your eyes off, it take long sometimes before they look somewhere else.

At least, they can't laugh in my back or stuff because my gf is here and would understand what they say. its easy to laugh in the back but its harder for them if my gf can tell to me what they say hehe. it happened once, womens in the cab queue were saying they do better than ang moh on their jobs, my gf told to me what they said, i had a good laugh, asking myself what those girls know about caucasians.

anyway it doesnt bother me much cause im here to see my gf and the rest is nothing, yet i find it funny how people react on caucasian, its either they are cool, either they sucks, but it's not often neutral, as it should be.

Lol, when im in paris and i see a chinese, i wont laugh oho omg an asian is here. I wont stare at him if i see he's feeling shy or stuff because he's surrounded with caucasians. Its just basic respect and polite way to act. Plus, i don't give a shit about him. No offense, i mean, im used to see asians, he won't get extra attention from me.

I understand that people who never went out that little island may find funny to see caucasians. The day they "discover" black people for the first time, waa, gonna be another laughing time in the MRT. :lol:
im just kidding, i know most of people in singapore is cool and btw i never had real problem with them.

i heard that lof of japanese people are really shocked when they travel, embarrassed because people stare at them, so, yeah its the same everywhere, once you got that, you won't care much when people stare at you.

but singapore is one of the 2 or 3 most open countries in the world, which reflects very well upon the locals who understand that their success is tied to how they interact with others around them.


yeah gov is opened to the world for economic reasons and because indeed singapore wouldnt survive so well for long if they close the country, but im not optimistic as you on the open mind of locals, i think yes they understand they need the rest of the world, but that doesnt mean they are all open minded, especially on caucasians, its 2 different things. open minded on other asians, on indians, for sure, but on caucasians, its not always the same..

its funny in a way that some people complain about caucasians coming here for work. i wonder how much "true" singaporeans are living here.. singapore is not a chinese country, its not an indian country, not a malaysian... most of the people here are not "at home", almost everyone are foreigners ehe, like the caucasians coming here. 8-)

so at the end of day, i love singapore, my only request is...

STOP THE ENGLISH TOTAL CONTROL ON FOOTBALL HERE ! :lol: :lol:
damn...on tv its only english people talking about english league only, and football fans here are either Man Utd fans, Chelsea fans (thanks god, chelsea won't be champion) or Liverpool fans. :shock: ok, they show a bit of spanigh league too... but as a french, that english "monopole" on football here annoys me :lol:, there are other countries and leagues around, spread the footbaallllll

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Postby zhoumulian » Thu, 24 May 2007 12:30 pm

huggybear wrote:
EADG wrote:

racism is subtle. you have no idea what they're saying behind your back. i did have one person who thought i am brown because i didn't take a shower. i didn't know what to say only because i was so stunned. but yea the locals really look up to the caucasians to the point where it's unhealthy.


i know there aren't a lot of african americans or blacks there, but I'm curious, have any of you noticed or heard what the experience has been for blacks in singapore? i spent some time in china and had mixed responses...A LOT of stares, and I'm curious whether I should gear up for similar reactions...is the racism more about ignorance/lack of experience or just prejudice? i'm headed to Singapore in August for study abroad...

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 24 May 2007 12:45 pm

zhoumulian wrote:i know there aren't a lot of african americans or blacks there, but I'm curious, have any of you noticed or heard what the experience has been for blacks in singapore? i spent some time in china and had mixed responses...A LOT of stares, and I'm curious whether I should gear up for similar reactions...is the racism more about ignorance/lack of experience or just prejudice? i'm headed to Singapore in August for study abroad...


You probably wont get any more stares than I did the 8 years that I worked in DC back in the '70's with one of my offices being on 14th NE and another on Georgia Ave near Silver Spring. :wink:

Don't worry too much. There is a growing black presence here and while it is small it is starting to grow. They are predominantly from Africa but with a smattering of British, US, and others nationalities as well. The biggest problem you will have here is getting a good hairdresser! Seriously. This question has been asked before.

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Postby siggiboy1 » Thu, 24 May 2007 6:13 pm

Hi I am considering to move to singapore....and what I read here in this forum is not really encouraging...anyway.


My Question: Could someone tell me something aobut the exact racial make up in singapore:

How many thousands of caucasians - how many percent of the population are caucasian?????? Just for information sake. Thanks in advance.

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Postby jpatokal » Thu, 24 May 2007 7:26 pm

siggiboy1 wrote:Hi I am considering to move to singapore....and what I read here in this forum is not really encouraging...anyway.


My Question: Could someone tell me something aobut the exact racial make up in singapore:

How many thousands of caucasians - how many percent of the population are caucasian?????? Just for information sake. Thanks in advance.

I don't think anybody can give you accurate numbers -- even SingStat doesn't. What they do tell is that 2.4% of the population (defined only as Singaporean and PR) is "Other". The great majority of that is non-Caucasian (Eurasian, mixed-race Chinese/Indian/Malay, Filipinos, Japanese, etc), but on the other hand, that figure doesn't include the 797,900 people who are in Singapore on short-term permits (including EPs). One indicative figure is that the large Japanese community in Singapore numbers 22,000, so the total number of Caucasian expats is probably within the same ballpark. If we assume a nice round 40,000, then that would be 1%.

Some more informed guessing by Wikipedia here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... nic_groups
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Postby rhino » Thu, 24 May 2007 10:08 pm

Someone was telling me that there is somewhere in the order of 15,000 to 20,000 Australians in Singapore! Though Australian does not equate to Caucasian.

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Postby jpatokal » Fri, 25 May 2007 3:25 pm

What the OP was probably driving at is "how many of the people around you are white", but that too depends a lot. Expats tend to congregate in the same places, so places like (say) Boat Quay, Holland V and Orchard have tons of Caucasians, but as soon as you cross over from (say) sexy Novena to heartland Toa Payoh, then the percentage of ang mohs drops to near-zero. The unsexy condo I used to live in Jurong had a couple of other ang moh families, but in two years I never saw a single one of them venture out the condo's rear gate to the HDB blocks, hawker centres and local markets just behind.

So if you want to isolate yourself in an expat bubble, then sure, you can do it in Singapore. And if you want to be the only foreigner for kilometers around, then that's not too hard either.
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Postby E-T » Fri, 25 May 2007 5:09 pm

siggiboy1 wrote:Hi I am considering to move to singapore....and what I read here in this forum is not really encouraging...anyway.


Don't be afraid of coming here. Although discrimination is not encouraged, it bound to happen time and time again. Not just here in Singapore but worldwide.

There are still very nice people around who welcome foreigners, provided they conduct themselves properly. By means of that, I point out to some expats whom conveniently left out their married status in pursuit of a local companion. With this, we can't say every expat is bad and lousy.

Interestingly, I realised many expats are wanting and hoping to bring and influence with their lifestyle back in their native land. Not that it is not possible, but Singapore has a lifestyle of its own. It's either you take the effort to try fitting in, or you don't.

I often liken migration to marriage. When two persons come together in a marriage, it's about loving each other and also the acceptance of each other in one's life, good and bad. Same theory applies to all my expat colleagues whom have fitted in here extremely well in their contract period.

You are going to face alot of discomfort if you are coming here, hoping the society here to behave and think in the same exact manner from where you come from. If not, I am sure you will enjoy the companionship of our locals and what's more... FOOD!


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