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Re: well...

Postby Guest » Fri, 17 Jun 2005 8:52 pm

thinkster wrote:When I asked them if it bothered them, to a person none of them cared who was in the ad. I guess they were secure enough in their society and culture that it was a non-matter... definately they didn't feel inferior. If you've ever been to China, you'd know that they actually feel superior to whites... so what's up with the Chinese here?
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I have no idea where you get the impression that the locals here care about the races of the models. Nobody is concerned at all. In most cases, I don't think consumers like us can decide who is going to appear in the ads. It is all up to the ads professionals to decide.

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well....

Postby thinkster » Sat, 18 Jun 2005 7:16 pm

I guess the only reason I wrote on this post was coz I found it right after reading these ignoramusis' website: http://www.quality-nation.com/ They even quote from this site I believe...
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Postby Guest » Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:37 pm

No,that website doesn't represents everyone here.

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Ad & Trance

Postby Trance » Sat, 25 Jun 2005 2:23 pm

Don't underestimate how easy the subtle influence to the subconscious mind. Advertisement has a hypnotic influence. The ad agencies are master of it.

This will only hinders the white intergrating with the locals and creating a more divided world.

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Postby Guest » Sun, 26 Jun 2005 7:56 am

Oh, I don't know about that now. What you're saying is that peoples' psyches are so unsophisticated that a few ads is all you need to nudge us into xenophobism. I don't think that's the case.

That said, yesterday I was in a shopping mall, accompanied by a buddy, a local guy. And at one point I looked around from the central lobby area, and spotted dozens of ads, apparel, cosmetics, fitness apparatus, theatre tickets, you name it. All told, there was one Asian lady in all these ads and she was this Eurasian girl on an Espirit poster.

I asked my buddy his views on this and he replied that it's no massive deal, but it does make him a little sad to see all these angmohs as (implied role) models.

You know, I'll bet that there's a fortune waiting for the guy that's gutsy enough to clone these ads, replacing all the caucs with locals.

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Re: Simple minded Singaporeans

Postby worldguy » Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:53 am

frustrated wrote:I have to add to this thread and say that I have also experienced this childish behaviour. Do not get fooled by this "Country's" aparent progress. It is only an economical progress. For me progress starts in the mentality, the culture, the personality, not in having skycrapers 90 storey high.


The problem with Singapore is their lack of identity in a complex and historical World where they cannot compete either professionally or intellectually and they know it. That is why they laugh resented at caucasians who have the intelligence and the guts to come to this country and do the jobs that singaporeans can't do. They also know that if they left their own country for Europe or America they couldn't stand a chance. They live in a village-sized country in a villagers' mentality. Don't get fooled just because they are carrying a high tech mobile, they might not even know how to talk. It is also to do with arrogance and a sense of superiority that comes with living in a tiny place thinking they have it better than the rest, specially in Asia. Just think about this next time you take your next Confort taxi: How many times would the driver had failed his driving test in a 5 minute journey, somewhere else in the World ? Shameful.




So when will the U.S. progress? To me it is going backwards and is far behind most industrialized countries. I get treated better abroad than in my own country. I am a a Black guy in the States. What the original poster described doesn't even come close to how I am treated here in the States. Blacks are treated 10 times worse here. Don't get fooled by the U.S. fascade. I heard the same thing from a white guy on a plane with me from Shanghai. He said the Chinese descriminated against him. I thought to myself, is this guy crazy? Look at how blacks have been treated in the States. Anyway, I have always felt I have been treated better abroad than in the U.S. I have also been more socially accepted abroad in friendships and relationships outside of my race than here in the States. I guess it depends on your perspective. A little bit a laughing is nothing.

So I guess when someone uses the "N" word here in the States are gealous I have an engineering/architecture degree and stealing jobs from some of them?

Hmm, many Asians do come to the States and do better than the natives. Many Asians are being recruited by U.S. tech companies.

I would also say Americans have the biggest sense of arrogance and supiority of any other nationality. Even you have to agree with that statement.

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Re: Simple minded Singaporeans

Postby Guest » Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:21 pm

worldguy wrote:
frustrated wrote:I have to add to this thread and say that I have also experienced this childish behaviour. Do not get fooled by this "Country's" aparent progress. It is only an economical progress. For me progress starts in the mentality, the culture, the personality, not in having skycrapers 90 storey high.


The problem with Singapore is their lack of identity in a complex and historical World where they cannot compete either professionally or intellectually and they know it. That is why they laugh resented at caucasians who have the intelligence and the guts to come to this country and do the jobs that singaporeans can't do. They also know that if they left their own country for Europe or America they couldn't stand a chance. They live in a village-sized country in a villagers' mentality. Don't get fooled just because they are carrying a high tech mobile, they might not even know how to talk. It is also to do with arrogance and a sense of superiority that comes with living in a tiny place thinking they have it better than the rest, specially in Asia. Just think about this next time you take your next Confort taxi: How many times would the driver had failed his driving test in a 5 minute journey, somewhere else in the World ? Shameful.




So when will the U.S. progress? To me it is going backwards and is far behind most industrialized countries. I get treated better abroad than in my own country. I am a a Black guy in the States. What the original poster described doesn't even come close to how I am treated here in the States. Blacks are treated 10 times worse here. Don't get fooled by the U.S. fascade. I heard the same thing from a white guy on a plane with me from Shanghai. He said the Chinese descriminated against him. I thought to myself, is this guy crazy? Look at how blacks have been treated in the States. Anyway, I have always felt I have been treated better abroad than in the U.S. I have also been more socially accepted abroad in friendships and relationships outside of my race than here in the States. I guess it depends on your perspective. A little bit a laughing is nothing.

So I guess when someone uses the "N" word here in the States are gealous I have an engineering/architecture degree and stealing jobs from some of them?

Hmm, many Asians do come to the States and do better than the natives. Many Asians are being recruited by U.S. tech companies.

I would also say Americans have the biggest sense of arrogance and supiority of any other nationality. Even you have to agree with that statement.


I totally agree with you. They keep saying equality for all races, but look at how they conduct themselves in their own country as well as abroad. The message posted by "frustrated" is a clear indication of their arrogance. This guy has no respect for the locals at all! Their thinking is really 'backward'. I can't believe somebody could make such comment.

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yeah

Postby thinkster » Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:26 pm

Right on worldguy... I know just what you're talking about. I left America 10 years back, and only visted once, enough to make that my last (hopefully) trip there ever. But I do want to speak the flip side, in that, at least in America, African-Americans tend to use their colour as a defence as well. I can count one one hand the number of African-Americans that put colour aside and just were themselves. The rest were shelled-up, resentful and rude... and I'm talking both while in jail and on the street (I've been both). I thought shitty about myself, coz I was not liking African-Americans, then after 8 years in Europe, I discovered Africa-europeans and African-Africans, and not one of them EVER played the race card and all were very open. So yes, African-Americans are more defensive coz of that fascist society's treatment of them, but also, most African-Americans never seem able to forget all that.
My family is multi-racial; french-european, Baja Californian, and Jamaican, even a couple Japanese by marriage. I was once asked out by a girl while I lived in New Orleans and at dinner, she kept going on about "white-man this and white-man that" and when I told her I don't believe in racialism (the belief that there are races, not cultures) she said, "Nahnah , you can take away my name, you can take away my language, but you can't take away my colour."... I guess not.
But what I advocate is educating people the we all live on one planet, and belong to the same species, and need to wake up to what we're doing. I'm glad you got out of the USSA, it is a downhill mess there and I can't stand it. Peace out!

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Re: yeah

Postby worldguy » Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:54 pm

thinkster wrote:Right on worldguy... I know just what you're talking about. I left America 10 years back, and only visted once, enough to make that my last (hopefully) trip there ever. But I do want to speak the flip side, in that, at least in America, African-Americans tend to use their colour as a defence as well. I can count one one hand the number of African-Americans that put colour aside and just were themselves. The rest were shelled-up, resentful and rude... and I'm talking both while in jail and on the street (I've been both). I thought shitty about myself, because I was not liking African-Americans, then after 8 years in Europe, I discovered Africa-europeans and African-Africans, and not one of them EVER played the race card and all were very open. So yes, African-Americans are more defensive because of that fascist society's treatment of them, but also, most African-Americans never seem able to forget all that.
My family is multi-racial; french-european, Baja Californian, and Jamaican, even a couple Japanese by marriage. I was once asked out by a girl while I lived in New Orleans and at dinner, she kept going on about "white-man this and white-man that" and when I told her I don't believe in racialism (the belief that there are races, not cultures) she said, "Nahnah , you can take away my name, you can take away my language, but you can't take away my colour."... I guess not.
But what I advocate is educating people the we all live on one planet, and belong to the same species, and need to wake up to what we're doing. I'm glad you got out of the USSA, it is a downhill mess there and I can't stand it. Peace out!


Yeh, the whole "Race" thing is so blown out of proportion in the States. So much about nothing. Americans are obsessed with "Race". There are just too many psychological issues that have been created within "Black" culture stemming from the treatment of Blacks.

I've had beer cans thrown at me, called every racist word in the book, my life threatened, friendships and relationships ended because I am black in the U.S. I was constantly pulled over by the police in "white" neighborhoods, even while just taking a casual walk. My favorite is having car doors locked on me in public parking lots. You guys from the states know what I am talking about. For many Blacks it gets to their heads being treated that way. For me I was smarter than that and found relief abroad. I have had the best relationships abroad. No race crap to deal with.

See, many Blacks just can't figure out why Whites don't like them considering they control everything in the U.S. Then they get all these issues in their heads and their confused about their identities. Then that provides more ammunition for the Whites to use against them. You know, theives, rappers, gangsters, etc. They just live the stereotype because they try to find an identity in a country set up for the Whites. Then that just keeps them from getting good jobs, imprisonment, etc. It is a downward spiral.

And please don't ask a Native American how they feel about how they are treated. They probably wouldn't tell you because there isn't a whole lot of trust left there. They do express it to those who come from similar backgrounds of treatment though.

Anyway, it might be a good experience for caucasions to experience some racism to know how it feels. The only thing is they will never get it to the extent as the kind in the States.

I have traveled to many countries around the world frequently. In North America, South America, Asia, Europe and Australia/New Zealand and the U.S. is the most hypocritical as far as that goes.

I am not racist by any means. Even though I have had many bad things done to me by White people I don't hate. I have friends from all nationalities and have dated all colors.

BlackIce

Postby BlackIce » Mon, 27 Jun 2005 9:16 am

Hi 'Guest' ( since u didnt wanna indicate a username),
I think you're being a little over sensitive, by reacting the way like you did. At this point of time, you should know/understand that majority of ppl out there in the world actually THINK that Sinapore is a Chinese country. And Chinese do make up the majorities of Asians. Of course, DEFINATELY what comes next will be Malays, Indians, Japanese etc. So when Asian is being mentioned, the 1st thing that comes to one's mind is Chinese. Do u agree?? Hope you dont get oftened by that. The rest are EQUALLY important too, no one say they're not.
What M. Guest was trying to say is, 'one of the ways to fit into a society is by learning their languages, which is polite way to do so'.

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Postby BlackIce » Mon, 27 Jun 2005 9:33 am

Anonymous wrote:Quote
"But i think that the best way for a caucasian to be totally fitted into Singapore or any asian society is to learn chinese.......it'll be so....cute! lol... well it works politically though.." END QUOTE

The above suggestion is the stupidest i have ever heard...so to fit into singaporean society, a caucasian has to learn chinese?? why? Does everyone in singapore speak chinese? your suggestion itself shows how racist you are in leaving out the malays, indians who you likely think are insignificant due to the fact that most cannot communicate in mandarin..Are you suffering from cultural superiority?

"Or any Asian society?" Last i checked most asians do not speak chinese,there are asians who speak hindi,tamil,punjabi,malay,bahasa indonesia, tagalog, japanese,korean,telugu,vietnamese,thai etc GET IT?

I was refering to this 'guest'. ;P

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Postby worldguy » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 7:25 am

White Boys wrote:typical... moaning about something so little. As the previous poster pointed out, Asians get it much worse in Europe/US. Just because not everyone worships your white arse in Asia, you think it is a big thing. So bloody what? At least you don't get verbal/physical abuse just walking down the street. wherever you go.

Get your priorities sorted.


I agree. It is what I was trying to say in my post. Someone laughing at you is nothing compared to how foriegners or minorities are treated by THEM in their country. I think part of it is they are used to being treated like they are most important in a culture that has fashioned a society that caters to them. They have grown to expect that level of treatment all the time.

I have seen people from Western countries, especially the U.S., that have convinced themselves that their importance is greater than what it actually is on a Global Perspective. It seems they can not understand they are in someone elses country. Their egos get so inflated from the status their race has been hyped to in their country they begin to believe the illusion that they truly are on top of everyone else. This creates a tendency to for them to pout about such little things.

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Postby Guest » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:44 am

Yeah, some of them may think that way. Once, when I was walking on a crowded street here, a lady was walking on the same path heading towards me. As we faced each other in that moment, she spoke immediately in a loud & commanding tone "EXCUUUUSE ME!", implying that she had the right to the way. Instantly, I was taken by surprise. I gave her the way but felt that the impatient behaviour she displayed was unjustified. I mean, everybody was walking on the crowded street, nobody has the right to the way. Why the assertive behaviour? The lady is an American, judging by the accent of her speech.

I am not implying all of them are like that. Such incidents are rare, I suppose.

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Singaporeans can't walk...

Postby thinkster » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 2:51 pm

I have to post here, not as a Californian, but as someone who watches where he is going. Singaporeans, by and large, have a serious problem watching where they are going. Two people walking towards each other will normally adjust course, but if one person isn't watching they will walk into the other. If Singaporeans aren't too busy smsing or watching some window display or video advert, they simply just don't notice that other people are sharing the road.
I've had people walk towards me and I've stopped in one spot when they don't notice me... and twice they walked right into me... and this was while walking in a straight line in the open!
Furthermore, Singaporeans (of all cultures I might add) tend to be clueless about when they are blocking others... be it in the MRT or the shops. They will almost never stop to let you pass, and will push right ahead of anyone, including pregnant mothers and those carrying a heavy load. I watched one lady so eager to avoid a tout passing out flyers she walked into the path of a moving car and was hit!
This is in sharp contrast to Thailand, where even though its more crowded, people pay more attention to where they are walking, as in Thai Buddism they believe bad karma can rub off on you, so if there is accidental contact, there is always an apology... here in Singapore, I seem to be the only one who ever apologises.
It's even worse here if you ride a bike (and I'm not talking about recklessly), where people will spin around at any moment without the least regard for what may be there. Once, after a rain, I was coasting my bike behind the bus shelter on in front of the Thai embassy, when a lady on the mobile fone coming from the opposite direction turned suddenly right, into my path, and there was nowhere for her to go except into the fence of the embassy! After a near miss and a crash, I asked her where in the heck she was going and she stammered... "I, I, I have an sms..." as if that justifies the lack of foresight.
So the next time you walk into someone's path and they say EXCUSE ME, they might, just maybe, be trying to wake you up... because its not a matter of one person having to move out of the other's path, but BOTH correcting their trajectory to avoid the other. This is common courtesy and good sense...
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Re: Singaporeans can't walk...

Postby Guest » Wed, 29 Jun 2005 4:23 pm

thinkster wrote:So the next time you walk into someone's path and they say EXCUSE ME, they might, just maybe, be trying to wake you up... because its not a matter of one person having to move out of the other's path, but BOTH correcting their trajectory to avoid the other. This is common courtesy and good sense...


By the way, I am not refering to all Americans, just a single incident which I had stated very clearly that it is rare. I won't say something like "Americans, by and large, have a serious problem ..................". This kind of remarks are full of flaws. Not rational.

I definitely believe that both person have to move out of the other's path. And I did just that. I was not doing anything at that time, but was looking forward while walking. I was fully awake.

What surprised me was the manner of the person who asked for an excuse. Anyway, that was just one incident that happened quite long ago.


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