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Postby chiang » Thu, 02 Dec 2004 8:38 pm

Yeah Dear Caucasians.You are welcome to leave Singapore.As a you are better off and we are better off.We call that win win deal.

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Postby jpatokal » Fri, 03 Dec 2004 1:13 am

Anonymous wrote:That’s very Singaporean of you removing certain comments you find undesirable for our expat’s ears. You are not doing anyone a favor by filtering what they should or should not hear. If fact, you are treating them with disrespect; akin to save children from hearing four letter words.

I’m sure the expats want to make up their minds based on the truth about Singapore – those misfit comments you’ve removed ARE what true Singaporeans are facing.

Please, for the sake of ‘freedom of speech’ don’t be a disciplinarian.

As stated in my original message, the messages were not deleted, they were simply moved into the Rubbish forum. You and anybody else are perfectly free to continue your infantile, off-topic namecalling there.

And hey, if I was a real Singaporean disclipinarian, I would ban you for daring to Question Authority and delete your posts to remove any evidence of opposing views :twisted:

Guest

Postby Guest » Fri, 03 Dec 2004 5:00 pm

*Kisses Buchanan and gave him a big HUG*


Buchanan wrote:Seems like living in Singapore will be a definite challenge, so hold on to your proverbs, I'm a comin'!!!

I love the diversity of nations and languages, of people's age, nature, class and status. I have been a wandering, but working, nomad/emigrant (aka expatriat = expat - what a horrible word!) for over 10-years now, in both Europe and the Asia-Pacific region, and I have never been happier. Sure, peeps (= people, lah!) can sometimes be hard towards and rightfully wary of these white-fleshed, red-faced foriegners coming in with their wide-eyed and confused expressions on their faces! Sure, its funny!!! :D But, nevertheless, it sure is a life-experience and what is the point of having "life" if not to experience it? :P

But, sure enough these peeps that originated from the Caucasian hills of Russia are taking the jobs of the locals, of the native peeps. But, who is really native to the land-mass they are on, anyways? He he, OK, but how is this allowed? I have one word.... "edumacation"... we be edumacated, right? Like i said in another post:

"I have TWO words... 'keep...IT....Real' ... but 'IT' ain't a real word, 'n-it?" [c/o Ali G]

My policy is to be gracious to others, to be respectful, to be understanding, to be humourous, to be less-self-obsessed, to be realisitic, to be positive. Although I hope that these intentions will be reciprocated, I do not expect it. This is my filtering system. If people are not flexible enough to fit into my filters, they do not get through and become a good-friend. We all have filters like this, no?!

Negativity is an easy path to follow – so why not take a chance and challenge yourself and be optimistic and absorb all cultures. Sure, it will be difficult. People are people, wherever or whomever you or they are. Some peeps can be right obnoxious – but why take it personally, to the heart, for evermore, until you die a thousand such deaths in spirit?

So my message is to keep on ranting and "edumacate" yoursel'.

Don’t be an 'accidental occident in the orient' or a 'blazing asian-caucasian', but merely try to just be your humble self and have a laugh!!!

Cheers me dears.

RESPECT :wink:

Oh, I have a post-script! PS: If you are a hardened Celt like I, then from whence did you commence, out of interest ??? --> see the poll here if you so desire!!!

Noel

Giggling at caucasians

Postby Noel » Sat, 04 Dec 2004 9:11 pm

Been here six months and don't really know what you mean. People have been just fine.

franky

Postby franky » Tue, 07 Dec 2004 7:14 pm

Anonymous wrote:*Kisses Buchanan and gave him a big HUG*


Buchanan wrote:Seems like living in Singapore will be a definite challenge, so hold on to your proverbs, I'm a comin'!!!

I love the diversity of nations and languages, of people's age, nature, class and status. I have been a wandering, but working, nomad/emigrant (aka expatriat = expat - what a horrible word!) for over 10-years now, in both Europe and the Asia-Pacific region, and I have never been happier. Sure, peeps (= people, lah!) can sometimes be hard towards and rightfully wary of these white-fleshed, red-faced foriegners coming in with their wide-eyed and confused expressions on their faces! Sure, its funny!!! :D But, nevertheless, it sure is a life-experience and what is the point of having "life" if not to experience it? :P

But, sure enough these peeps that originated from the Caucasian hills of Russia are taking the jobs of the locals, of the native peeps. But, who is really native to the land-mass they are on, anyways? He he, OK, but how is this allowed? I have one word.... "edumacation"... we be edumacated, right? Like i said in another post:

"I have TWO words... 'keep...IT....Real' ... but 'IT' ain't a real word, 'n-it?" [c/o Ali G]

My policy is to be gracious to others, to be respectful, to be understanding, to be humourous, to be less-self-obsessed, to be realisitic, to be positive. Although I hope that these intentions will be reciprocated, I do not expect it. This is my filtering system. If people are not flexible enough to fit into my filters, they do not get through and become a good-friend. We all have filters like this, no?!

Negativity is an easy path to follow – so why not take a chance and challenge yourself and be optimistic and absorb all cultures. Sure, it will be difficult. People are people, wherever or whomever you or they are. Some peeps can be right obnoxious – but why take it personally, to the heart, for evermore, until you die a thousand such deaths in spirit?

So my message is to keep on ranting and "edumacate" yoursel'.

Don’t be an 'accidental occident in the orient' or a 'blazing asian-caucasian', but merely try to just be your humble self and have a laugh!!!

Cheers me dears.

RESPECT :wink:

Oh, I have a post-script! PS: If you are a hardened Celt like I, then from whence did you commence, out of interest ??? --> see the poll here if you so desire!!!


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Guest

Postby Guest » Tue, 07 Dec 2004 7:15 pm

franky wrote:
Anonymous wrote:*Kisses Buchanan and gave him a big HUG*


Buchanan wrote:Seems like living in Singapore will be a definite challenge, so hold on to your proverbs, I'm a comin'!!!

I love the diversity of nations and languages, of people's age, nature, class and status. I have been a wandering, but working, nomad/emigrant (aka expatriat = expat - what a horrible word!) for over 10-years now, in both Europe and the Asia-Pacific region, and I have never been happier. Sure, peeps (= people, lah!) can sometimes be hard towards and rightfully wary of these white-fleshed, red-faced foriegners coming in with their wide-eyed and confused expressions on their faces! Sure, its funny!!! :D But, nevertheless, it sure is a life-experience and what is the point of having "life" if not to experience it? :P

But, sure enough these peeps that originated from the Caucasian hills of Russia are taking the jobs of the locals, of the native peeps. But, who is really native to the land-mass they are on, anyways? He he, OK, but how is this allowed? I have one word.... "edumacation"... we be edumacated, right? Like i said in another post:

"I have TWO words... 'keep...IT....Real' ... but 'IT' ain't a real word, 'n-it?" [c/o Ali G]

My policy is to be gracious to others, to be respectful, to be understanding, to be humourous, to be less-self-obsessed, to be realisitic, to be positive. Although I hope that these intentions will be reciprocated, I do not expect it. This is my filtering system. If people are not flexible enough to fit into my filters, they do not get through and become a good-friend. We all have filters like this, no?!

Negativity is an easy path to follow – so why not take a chance and challenge yourself and be optimistic and absorb all cultures. Sure, it will be difficult. People are people, wherever or whomever you or they are. Some peeps can be right obnoxious – but why take it personally, to the heart, for evermore, until you die a thousand such deaths in spirit?

So my message is to keep on ranting and "edumacate" yoursel'.

Don’t be an 'accidental occident in the orient' or a 'blazing asian-caucasian', but merely try to just be your humble self and have a laugh!!!

Cheers me dears.

RESPECT :wink:

Oh, I have a post-script! PS: If you are a hardened Celt like I, then from whence did you commence, out of interest ??? --> see the poll here if you so desire!!!


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Guest

Postby Guest » Tue, 07 Dec 2004 11:48 pm

hi Marc

No need to worry, Singaporeans are too busy being racist towards each other to bother about caucasians , the Chinese not liking the Malays, malays not liking the Chinese etc. Just ignore the stupid ones or someone who is too typical Chinese, Malay or Indian those you should avoid if nessary and you 'll do fine

Guest

Postby Guest » Wed, 08 Dec 2004 2:33 pm

I kiss and hug Buchanan because ....

Buchanan wrote:
Seems like living in Singapore will be a definite challenge, so hold on to your proverbs, I'm a comin'!!!

I love the diversity of nations and languages, of people's age, nature, class and status. I have been a wandering, but working, nomad/emigrant (aka expatriat = expat - what a horrible word!) for over 10-years now, in both Europe and the Asia-Pacific region, and I have never been happier. Sure, peeps (= people, lah!) can sometimes be hard towards and rightfully wary of these white-fleshed, red-faced foriegners coming in with their wide-eyed and confused expressions on their faces! Sure, its funny!!! But, nevertheless, it sure is a life-experience and what is the point of having "life" if not to experience it?

But, sure enough these peeps that originated from the Caucasian hills of Russia are taking the jobs of the locals, of the native peeps. But, who is really native to the land-mass they are on, anyways? He he, OK, but how is this allowed? I have one word.... "edumacation"... we be edumacated, right? Like i said in another post:

"I have TWO words... 'keep...IT....Real' ... but 'IT' ain't a real word, 'n-it?" [c/o Ali G]

My policy is to be gracious to others, to be respectful, to be understanding, to be humourous, to be less-self-obsessed, to be realisitic, to be positive. Although I hope that these intentions will be reciprocated, I do not expect it. This is my filtering system. If people are not flexible enough to fit into my filters, they do not get through and become a good-friend. We all have filters like this, no?!

Negativity is an easy path to follow – so why not take a chance and challenge yourself and be optimistic and absorb all cultures. Sure, it will be difficult. People are people, wherever or whomever you or they are. Some peeps can be right obnoxious – but why take it personally, to the heart, for evermore, until you die a thousand such deaths in spirit?

So my message is to keep on ranting and "edumacate" yoursel'.

Don’t be an 'accidental occident in the orient' or a 'blazing asian-caucasian', but merely try to just be your humble self and have a laugh!!!


What he said is GOOD and I totally I agree with him and there's too many threads on caucasian-singaporean.

Leaders

Postby Leaders » Thu, 09 Dec 2004 7:34 pm

A great nation does not point fingers. A great nation takes the lead and is a role model for the world.

Singapore should show the world the we respect expats/foreigners in the same way as we respect ourselves. We should have higher standards than Europe or America where racism is still present.
After all people are our greatest asset. Lets take a lead.

God bless all of you.

ah ling

Postby ah ling » Fri, 10 Dec 2004 4:51 pm

Singapore welcomes foreigners! Thats it.

ah beng

Postby ah beng » Fri, 10 Dec 2004 5:32 pm

Singapore does not welcome all foreigners, Singapore welcomes foreigners who are in the right frame of mind and open-minded only

Chinaman

Postby Chinaman » Fri, 10 Dec 2004 7:32 pm

ah beng wrote:Singapore does not welcome all foreigners, Singapore welcomes foreigners who are in the right frame of mind and open-minded only


Thats self-explanatory. Of course.
At the same time it reflects your sceptical view on foreigners like many other compatriots. We should welcome foreigners with open arms without conditions in the first place.
What impression do we convey to the world if we would voice your attitude upfront before they even entered the country??? A negative and narrow-minded freightend country. Not the image of a cosmopolitan and proud nation who stands tall and knows how too succeed in a globalized world.

Nicole L.

Racism occurs everywhere-

Postby Nicole L. » Mon, 13 Dec 2004 2:39 pm

I read this thread with great amusement. I am a Singaporean currently doing my Masters in Australia, and I must say, the racism is pretty deep. I'm not only talking about Australia, but also from other countries. I am currently in a very cosmopolitan flat- my flatmates hail from Canada, USA, Malaysia, Singapore, China, Hongkong and Australia, of course.

We were talking about expatriates the other day and I think I figured out the reason why locals in any country feel a sort of resentment towards the expatriates. We do not hate you as an individual- we hate the system that pervades the Asian country where expatriates are a common sight and predominantly white. My friend who lives his whole life in Hongkong talks about the tiny expatriate community that existed there which is so closed up and unopened to the locals. He belongs to an expatriate family and even though he's been there for ten years, he doesn't know any Cantonese nor have any locals as friends, unless of course they were rich enough to squeeze into the expatriate neat little elitist society. Business deals, he observes, were often given to any companies who puts up some kind of British flag or icon in their company's logo or name. Cronyism, it seems, is not just an Asian thing.

I also felt a similar kind of injustice when I am in Singapore. I see my friends who are extremely capable, creative and innovative having their jobs or promotion stolen from them just because the company felt that the stereotype of "a White is always better" to be true. The anger we have is not directed against the individual, but against this nonsensical and illogical put down of local talents who already have much compeition to face anyway. Not only that, in my previous workplace, I have witnessed blatant cronyism. I was in the human resource department so I knew about an incident whereby a manager, who's an expat, gives preferential treatment to people from his own country among the job candidates. I have also met many expatriates who look upon the locals like we are children, needing to be told what to do etc. etc, being high and mighty about their own culture. The only claim they can lay on being "multi-cultural" is that they like chicken rice.

All I want to say is that I wish the mentality will change soon- that this inferiority complex which is so needless disappear in the new generation of Singaporeans. I think that it's time that Singaporeans figure out for themselves that they are just as good as an IT expert from Delhi or some manager from USA. Yet, if the expatirates are here, welcome them and respect them. Help them appreciate our culture as much as we can. One note to fellow Singaporeans though, especially shop owners- do not look down on your fellowmen. I have seen in many occasions, and this disgust me, that shopkeepers are rude to locals but extremely friendly to anyone who appears White.


On the other hand, I also wish that expats who come to Singapore have an open mind about the country- you are our guests but do not stretch our patience. I have good friends who are caucasians and they may one day be expats in Singapore. I always give them this advice- Be open minded and do not ever place your culture above ours because we are all on equal standing.

I believe there's another side to the story but i can't honestly say that my experiences with expatriates are good. If I have one, I will definitely in future voice it out here. I'm a Singaporean and in my own country, I do want the top leadership positions in any field-science, business, politics (a defacto category, duh!), etc. to be headed by Singaporeans, not foreigners. This may be uncosmopolitan of me but I believe a country should look after its own people first and foremost and we are not a stupid nation. Australia does it- it protects its own citizens first when it comes to jobs. But it can hardly be accused of being racist. Singapore should do the same- welcome foreigners, yes. But take care of your own people, or at the very least, place them all on equal standing with the expats.

Peace out,
Nicole

Oz-Indon-Chinese

Majulah Singapura

Postby Oz-Indon-Chinese » Tue, 14 Dec 2004 7:56 pm

Hi Marc (that is if u really still reads this forum),

First of all, I am neither a Caucs nor a pure Chinese. This is my 5th year in Singapore. Day-2-day, I blend-in with the locals easily, but my accent tend to give away my identity.

Ppl who passed me as a foreigner tend to fall into 2 groups. Con-men or Courteous ppl. The Con-men would make attempts to rip me off financially if i am buying something and have the tendency to refer Australia as a "cheap" country, Britain as a the mighty Pound, Indonesia as the land of maid or rich businessman. They make me laugh!

On the other hand, the Courteous ones however tend to be extra helpful and very hospitable. Takes my hat off for them! Truly appreciates their kindness.

The fact is, the rule of law is there to protect us from harm's way. But unfortunately, we still have to bear with lots of craps along the way. My advise would be laugh it off. Life is too short to nurse grudges and too long to live it in waste.

For your info, now I am married to a beautiful nationalised Singaporean woman. Both my kids are born here and Singapore passport holders. I did not register them as Australian, British, or Indonesian.

Why? simple... i don't have a real identity growing up! I am not an Oz, a Pommie, a Ching, or Indonesian... although i have bits of pieces from each race/countries.

Beside the mundane weekdays working and the busy lifestyle full of commuting, queueing, & other trivial matters... Singapore will be a land of opportunity for those who work hard, open-minded and dare to take a risk. I am eternally grateful for this home called Singapore...

God bless u all... and all i want for Christmas is Peace to all family members who are holding a grudge against another member.

FHC

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