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Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 01 Aug 2017 10:22 pm

I tend to agree with BCheng - however there is an out. The Austrade fellow I met at AustCham last week tells me there is a new entrepreneur visa coming at the end of this year that is far more flexible that the new one (income limits removed etc). You might want to wait for that - if your e-commerce is as good as it sounds you could relocate the company here and move in on that visa.

I don't think you will get PR. It's just too messy if it ends up the newspapers as others have pointed out. However I can see a few ways you might be able to live here in the long term and running a successful company is certainly one of them.
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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby sam01 » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 12:07 am

Yes you are right! There is a thing called EntrePass:

https://www.singapore-visa.net/entrepass-singapore

I easily meet all the requirements for this Visa. I may consider this option.

Thank You!

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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 2:39 am

sam01 wrote:Yes you are right! There is a thing called EntrePass:

https://www.singapore-visa.net/entrepass-singapore

I easily meet all the requirements for this Visa. I may consider this option.

Thank You!


Well... that website left out a lot of the requirements... you will find the current Entrepass requirements quite onerous... check out the MoM website here:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permit ... ligibility

and check out a thread that I updated a couple of years ago about the Entrepass.

viewtopic.php?t=93619

You may not be quite as excited when done reading.

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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby PNGMK » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 6:28 am

The entrepass is not the visa I am referring to. The new visa coming has a lot more open requirements.
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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby x9200 » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 7:15 am

sam01 wrote:I renounced my Singapore PR after living there for 3.5 years. At that time, we had no intentions of living in Singapore for good. Hence, it made no sense for me to serve a foreign army for 2.5 years and then return to Canada. Not that I have anything against the Singapore army. None of my other Expat Canadian and American friends served NS.

I always wanted to return to Canada as all my friends & family are here.

If you had no intention of living here for good (or at least very long time) you should had never applied for PR in the first place.
sam01 wrote:My mom decided to stay in Singapore for a few more months and then return home to Canada. However, she quickly rose up the corporate ladder in the company that she worked for in Singapore. Hence, she decided to move there permanently by acquiring Singapore citizenship many years later.

Is she still a Canadian citizen?
sam01 wrote:So to answer your question, no I absolutely did not "envisage this predicament".

I myself now run a well established E Commerce company. Hence, I don't really need a "Job". I can work from anywhere in the world and still be able to sustain myself. In fact, I spend half the year travelling Europe and Asia while running my E Commerce company.

Being a Canadian Citizen, I am allowed up to 90 days each time I visit Singapore. So if I wanted to live with my Mom in Singapore, I guess I just have to make a quick 1 day trip to Malaysia every 90 days and return to Singapore for another 90 days ;) Doesn't seem like a bad lifestyle to me! I travel a lot anyways.

Sure, go ahead and see what happens.

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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 7:39 am

PNGMK wrote:The entrepass is not the visa I am referring to. The new visa coming has a lot more open requirements.


I am most curious to know what this is about. Sounds like a return to Entrepass of 2000-2005 where an idea, a biz plan, and a decent resume could get you in the door.

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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby sam01 » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 8:17 am

If you had no intention of living here for good (or at least very long time) you should had never applied for PR in the first place.


When I became a PR, I was only 14 years old. At that age, I had no clue what a "PR" is and what I am signing up for. The decision to become a PR was made by my mother, not me. And its not like a Singapore government official would sit down with a teenager and explain to him what a PR is and what the obligations of a PR are. My plan at that age was to return home to Canada.

This is what I don't understand about the Singapore Immigration System. It is mandatory for 2nd generation males to spend 2 years serving a foreign country. However, most 2nd generation immigrants who become PRs are minors who have no clue what they are signing up for when they get a PR. Some are even under the age of 10. In the USA and Canada, where human rights are above all, this would be seen as a violation of rights because a minor is forced to sign a document that he does not fully understand.

One of the biggest motivations for most PRs coming from India and China to serve NS is that it is a path to Singapore citizenship. However, Singapore does not allow dual citizenship. Although many Indians and Chinese have no problems renouncing their home country citizenship, that wasn't the case for me. For me to get Singapore citizenship, I would have had to renounce my Canadian citizenship. There is no way that I would do that.

There is no doubt Singapore is a great country and I have great respect for what Singapore has achieved as a nation. There are several things that western countries like USA and Canada can learn from Singapore, especially when it comes to good governance practices.

I understand that serving the army helps build character for young males. Nonetheless, I feel that NS should be optional for 2nd generation immigrants because minors are not sure what they are signing up for when they get a PR. As mentioned before, most minors don't even know what a PR is, just like myself.

Anyways, thats just my point of view. I understand that most Singaporeans are very patriotic about their country and the army. By no means am I trying to offend anyone. I am just trying to explain the other side of the story.

I think that 2nd generation minors who are PRs should be given an option to serve NS. When they see the benefits, I am sure more than 50% would willingly serve the country. But I feel that forcing a minor to commit 2 years of their life is unfair, especially when they don't even know what they are signing up for. It is a legal obligation after all.

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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby bcheng74 » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 9:28 am

You need to challenge your mom why she signed up PR for you. She could have applied PR without you. She, not the SG government, made the decision for you.


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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby PNGMK » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 9:29 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
PNGMK wrote:The entrepass is not the visa I am referring to. The new visa coming has a lot more open requirements.


I am most curious to know what this is about. Sounds like a return to Entrepass of 2000-2005 where an idea, a biz plan, and a decent resume could get you in the door.


Joseph Ziegler (Austrade Singapore - Landing Pad Manager) mentioned it in an Austcham meeting. I think the new visa is has multiple add-ons to address the issues real entrepreneurs have coming into Singapore (it sounded as though the visa addressed the real issues of cost for start up managers including access to local schools and housing cost issues being addressed).
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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby PNGMK » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 9:31 am

bcheng74 wrote:You need to challenge your mom why she signed up PR for you. She could have applied PR without you. She, not the SG government, made the decision for you.


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Challenge his mum? Come on man.
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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby ecureilx » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:34 am

PNGMK wrote:
bcheng74 wrote:You need to challenge your mom why she signed up PR for you. She could have applied PR without you. She, not the SG government, made the decision for you.


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Challenge his mum? Come on man.
Lol.

If only people had internet ln those days... :)

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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 02 Aug 2017 11:23 am

ecureilx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:
bcheng74 wrote:You need to challenge your mom why she signed up PR for you. She could have applied PR without you. She, not the SG government, made the decision for you.


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Challenge his mum? Come on man.
Lol.

If only people had internet ln those days... :)


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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby jamie9vardy » Thu, 03 Aug 2017 7:54 am

sam01 wrote:Yes you are right! There is a thing called EntrePass:

https://www.singapore-visa.net/entrepass-singapore

I easily meet all the requirements for this Visa. I may consider this option.

Thank You!

http://www.opengovasia.com/articles/787 ... tup-talent

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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby PNGMK » Thu, 03 Aug 2017 10:49 am

jamie9vardy wrote:
sam01 wrote:Yes you are right! There is a thing called EntrePass:

https://www.singapore-visa.net/entrepass-singapore

I easily meet all the requirements for this Visa. I may consider this option.

Thank You!

http://www.opengovasia.com/articles/787 ... tup-talent


Yes that's it above. Just announced. Well spotted.
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Re: Getting Singapore PR back after Surrendering

Postby taxico » Thu, 03 Aug 2017 1:31 pm

sam01 wrote:...Being a Canadian Citizen, I am allowed up to 90 days each time I visit Singapore. So if I wanted to live with my Mom in Singapore, I guess I just have to make a quick 1 day trip to Malaysia every 90 days and return to Singapore for another 90 days ;) Doesn't seem like a bad lifestyle to me!


you assume the rules don't apply to you because you are a canadian in asia? or was this something that your mom also erroneously conferred onto you when you were a minor?

it might be true: you can take an asian out of asia...

sam01 wrote:When I became a PR, I was only 14 years old. At that age, I had no clue what a "PR" is and what I am signing up for.... My plan at that age was to return home to Canada.

...Singapore does not allow dual citizenship.

...I feel that NS should be optional for 2nd generation immigrants because minors are not sure what they are signing up for when they get a PR. As mentioned before, most minors don't even know what a PR is, just like myself.

I think that 2nd generation minors who are PRs should be given an option to serve NS. When they see the benefits, I am sure more than 50% would willingly serve the country. But I feel that forcing a minor to commit 2 years of their life is unfair, especially when they don't even know what they are signing up for. It is a legal obligation after all.


okay. aged 14, too young to understand NS. fine... this is absolutely possible in some cases. blame some people's predilection to wanting everything "cheap and green".

(remember: PRs taking up singapore citizenship and serving NS are both optional - the consequences are not)

then aged 18, you voluntarily give up PR so as to not serve NS. were you still too young at 18 to see "the benefits"? Oookay.

10 years wiser (?), you now announce on the internet that you're willing to serve NS. this is, of course, something you'd have thought about for some time.

beyond your arguments above, perhaps you should word your next reply to state that PRs should be given a choice to serve NS whenever they feel like it (and only IF they feel like it), and they should also be allowed to renounce and regain their SPR whenever it suits them.

something tells me even if you get everything cheap and green served on a "48k" gold platter, you'll be griping one way or another (if not here, then somewhere else you think you will find a helpful/sympathetic ear)...

these days, every guy or girl with wifi and a paypal account owns an "ecommerce" company. but it's not a magic word that makes singapore automatically roll out the red carpets.

so... good luck with your visa runs, ey?
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