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Re: wholesome

Postby jpatokal » Sun, 24 Jun 2007 2:48 am

trikal wrote:Moderation must be wholesome, where people who make "cheapskate" comments are marked for they intrude into informative threads and write an innocuous but highly provocative / caustic remark sending chills across the forum. Moderators should focus on easing the thread rather than just editing each one's comment.

There's a Strictly Speaking forum meant precisely for "serious" discussions that should stay on topic. The rest are more free-for-all, as long as they don't degenerate into personal attacks.
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Re: wholesome

Postby trikal » Mon, 25 Jun 2007 8:57 pm

jpatokal wrote:There's a Strictly Speaking forum meant precisely for "serious" discussions that should stay on topic. The rest are more free-for-all, as long as they don't degenerate into personal attacks.


Thanks for the info JP. But how do we deal with an off topic remark or comments that come in as intrusion? Can anyone as a creator of a thread, can request a mod to step in when needed or for a removal of a comment?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 25 Jun 2007 9:27 pm

As long as it is not in the Strictly Speaking thread and it does not descend into racial slurs, out and out personal attacks or name calling it is generally an open thread. If we feel it is getting out of hand then we will either lock the thread. Move it to the Rubbish Forum, or split the offending tangent off from the thread and move it to the rubbish bin.

Only occasionally will we resort to editing posts themselves unless they are advertising or something can be cut out without destroying the thread. But to try to mollify posters every time a poster feels like they have had their toes stepped on, it would not be possible to have a forum at all. That's not to say that we haven't done it in the past. Normally though we find that usually it was a two way street but someone got the upper hand or said something that hit to close to the truth for comfort.

Rather than vent here you would be better placed to PM one of the Mods as posters usually do and then we will take a look and act according as befitting the situation.

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Postby thesicks13 » Thu, 29 May 2008 3:54 pm

I find this thread more than a little hypocritical given that moderator who started this thread does not apply the same standards to his/herself. To quote; “There's been too much insulting, flaming and general childish behavior lately on this forum. So here's the new policy:

Insulting other users in any way, shape or form will get your message moved to Rubbish. Repeat offenders or blatantly offensive remarks will be deleted.”

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Postby Plavt » Thu, 29 May 2008 5:19 pm

In neither of the two instances you quote has jpatokal insulted anybody. Was there any name calling? No. Is there any scientific evidence that homeopathy works? No. Saying 'it's not a bloody web page' doesn't insult anybody.

What you quote is just the way people talk to each other in the normal course of events on radio programs (where I hear much worse) and in street. Name calling, racial and personal attacks are insults. Perhaps you would like us to be as pedantic as the angry board.......?

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Postby thesicks13 » Thu, 29 May 2008 6:57 pm

Plavt

Sorry you are correct, there was no direct "name calling". I would, however, call it somewhat insulting to ridicule what someone else believes in. If a person has used and believes that somethink works, to tell them its is a load of rubbish, is none of their business and down right rude or "insulting" and is in fact a personal attack.

Is there any scientific evidence of a god or gods. No. Does most of the world believe in one...Yes. Would you tell someone here that their belief is rubbish. I would hope not.

Is there any scientific evidence that the large proportion of chinese medicine works. No. Do you think it right to ridicule those that use it? Again I doubt you would

I don't use the word bloody in my everyday language nor do I see it being used in the mojority of threads. I think it belongs in the angry board!

Actually I would like moderators to show at least a degree of decorum and some manners and if they no worthwhile advice to give (I remind you it was a recommendation that was asked for not an opinionated lecture) on matters as personal as how to "assist" in the treatment of a child they should keep quiet. By the way the lady in question has left this site and uses others due to Jpat's response to her. :cry:

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Postby Plavt » Thu, 29 May 2008 7:52 pm

thesicks13 wrote:Plavt

If a person has used and believes that somethink works, to tell them its is a load of rubbish, is none of their business and down right rude or "insulting" and is in fact a personal attack.


You just don't get it do you? Conventional medicine has a scientific basis and there is evidence for its success based on research. There is no such thing for homeopathy. Just for comparison something such as acupuncture is in fact useless to treat neurological ailments. I have a rare neurological ailment so if I spend my money on acupuncture to treat it I am simply wasting my money. I was told that by a doctor so he was hardly insulting was he? Jpatokal was making exactly the same point.

Your statement that moderators should keep quiet smacks of arrogance since you are simply showing you have no interests in acknowledging know facts and wish to pursue a course of action based on mere belief.

Please note moderators are free to post as they so wish, if you are dissatisfied there is nothing to stop you posting elsewhere. That is all I have to say.

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Postby jpatokal » Fri, 30 May 2008 8:58 pm

thesicks13 wrote:Sorry you are correct, there was no direct "name calling". I would, however, call it somewhat insulting to ridicule what someone else believes in. If a person has used and believes that somethink works, to tell them its is a load of rubbish, is none of their business and down right rude or "insulting" and is in fact a personal attack.

Err, no, it's not. I quote myself from the sticky:

You are still welcome to disagree with other users, we're just expecting you to do it without resorting to comments about their parentage or body odor.

So where did I say anything personal? I think that homeopathy is a load of codswallop, so I'm disagreeing with opinions of the original poster, and you're welcome to disagree right back.

Is there any scientific evidence of a god or gods. No. Does most of the world believe in one...Yes. Would you tell someone here that their belief is rubbish. I would hope not.

Psst -- there's a perfectly serious thread on that very topic right here: http://www.singaporeexpats.com/forum/ft ... asc-0.html

Is there any scientific evidence that the large proportion of chinese medicine works. No. Do you think it right to ridicule those that use it? Again I doubt you would

I would not ridicule those that use it, just as I did not ridicule those that use homeopathy. I would, however, point out that the efficacy of most TCM treatments has not been scientifically validated. (Which is several orders of magnitude less bad than homeopathy, which is perfectly well known not to work, but I digress.)

Actually I would like moderators to show at least a degree of decorum and some manners and if they no worthwhile advice to give (I remind you it was a recommendation that was asked for not an opinionated lecture) on matters as personal as how to "assist" in the treatment of a child they should keep quiet.

You're misunderstanding what this moderating thing is all about. Us moderators are perfectly ordinary forum users who are not paid a cent for the glamorous job of cleaning this forum's toilets, and 99% of the time we're posting our own opinions as ourselves. We don't delete responses or ban users for disagreeing with us; hell, if a moderator ever did get busted for something like that, it would be grounds for instant termination. The 1% of the time that we do lay down the law, like in the sticky at the top of this thread, we make it clear that we're wearing the moderator hat.

By the way the lady in question has left this site and uses others due to Jpat's response to her. :cry:

That's unfortunate, and I'd like to apologize if she felt personally offended. However, as I said in my original reply, I was offering my opinion out of concern for the welfare of her child.
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Postby Currymeister » Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:10 pm

I think you'll find there was a racial slur made on the Security guard at the cote D'Azure thread - unless you don't think Arrogant Whitey is a racial slur??

If not I guess people can use colours along with insults and it's okay?

If I'm correct, I expect the offending poster, who repeated the remark, to be warned at the very least.

Plavt , SMS, you both commented on that thread so why didn't you do anything?

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Postby Strong Eagle » Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:22 am

Currymeister wrote:I think you'll find there was a racial slur made on the Security guard at the cote D'Azure thread - unless you don't think Arrogant Whitey is a racial slur??

If not I guess people can use colours along with insults and it's okay?

If I'm correct, I expect the offending poster, who repeated the remark, to be warned at the very least.

Plavt , SMS, you both commented on that thread so why didn't you do anything?


So many people, wearing so many panties, and they all seem to be stuck in the collective crack. Good lord, people, noting better to do?

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Postby Vaucluse » Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:58 pm

Currymeister, you really don't get it, do you . . . my comment on the ethnicity of the guard was specifically meant to highlight the arrogance of the exprat who had a go at him, for doing his job!!!! - - - do you for one second believe this guy would have abused another Caucasian like that in Australia/the US/the UK etc . . .? Hardly.

That was my point . . . and if you knew any history about the board or its members you would be extremely embarrassed. . . . oh, I am as lilly white as the piece of paper in front of me.

Why do you think everyone who has been around a while - aside from the weirdo sierra - is having a bit of a laugh right about now? At you!!! Because you are being obtuse. Because you have no sense of humour. Because you latch on to one thing and use foul language and go beyond what is acceptable.

Get a grip and keep defending the arrogant whitey by obfuscating the issue :wink:
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Postby Currymeister » Fri, 08 Aug 2008 2:49 pm

It's not humour Mr V. You step over the line. Grow up!

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Postby Vaucluse » Fri, 08 Aug 2008 2:59 pm

You and sierramadre are the only ones to think so, get a sense of humour or your life will continue to be as bland as it undoubtedly has been up to now.

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Postby Currymeister » Fri, 08 Aug 2008 5:25 pm

Vaucluse wrote:You and sierramadre are the only ones to think so, get a sense of humour or your life will continue to be as bland as it undoubtedly has been up to now.

Keep smiling, curryman


I don't think you're bright enough to understand so let me reiterate...

Which part of the slur 'Arrogant pratt' do you think contains humour?

You bum chums will obviously back you up, and the rest just ignore you.

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Postby Vaucluse » Fri, 08 Aug 2008 5:33 pm

Currymeister wrote:
Vaucluse wrote:You and sierramadre are the only ones to think so, get a sense of humour or your life will continue to be as bland as it undoubtedly has been up to now.

Keep smiling, curryman


I don't think you're bright enough to understand so let me reiterate...

Which part of the slur 'Arrogant pratt' do you think contains humour?

You bum chums will obviously back you up, and the rest just ignore you.


Still don't get it? Need to get my old school's website?

You're quite boring, aren't you . . .
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