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PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby boukenace » Thu, 01 Jun 2017 5:11 pm

Hello Everyone,

Just got my first rejection letter after 5 months and a couple of weeks of waiting.

I don't know why was the exact reason for the rejection, but it may have a bit to do with education, race, etc. Below are my credentials:

- Applied Dec 13 2016
- Rejected Jun 1 2017

- Male
- 30 years old
- Puerto Rican (American citizen) (Classified as "Latin" Race)
- 4 years, 10 months in Singapore
- Upgraded from S Pass to E-Pass
-Worked for 1 local company, and 2 international companies thus far.
- Salary 70K Annum (was 36K when I first arrived)
- Former US military veteran
- No degree when I arrived, but a lot of industry experience (Media Industry)
- Got my degree in 2015, while working full-time (probably one of the reason why my pass was upgraded)
- Volunteer at a local no profit related to my field, currently a committee member. Been there over 4 years. (Chairman wrote a letter or recommendation, but that didn't help).
- Completed a couple of certs while Singapore institutions and pursuing a Masters.
- Have 4 Letters of Assessments
- Dating local Singapore Chinese girl, but no plans for marriage.

Just wondering wondering what Singapore is currently looking for PRs. Are they essentially also need for me to settle down and have a kid before even looking at my application seriously? Just a thought.

What are your takes on this?

Thank you

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby singaporeflyer » Thu, 01 Jun 2017 6:19 pm

boukenace wrote:Hello Everyone,

Just got my first rejection letter after 5 months and a couple of weeks of waiting.

I don't know why was the exact reason for the rejection, but it may have a bit to do with education, race, etc. Below are my credentials:

- Applied Dec 13 2016
- Rejected Jun 1 2017

- Male
- 30 years old
- Puerto Rican (American citizen) (Classified as "Latin" Race)
- 4 years, 10 months in Singapore
- Upgraded from S Pass to E-Pass
-Worked for 1 local company, and 2 international companies thus far.
- Salary 70K Annum (was 36K when I first arrived)
- Former US military veteran
- No degree when I arrived, but a lot of industry experience (Media Industry)
- Got my degree in 2015, while working full-time (probably one of the reason why my pass was upgraded)
- Volunteer at a local no profit related to my field, currently a committee member. Been there over 4 years. (Chairman wrote a letter or recommendation, but that didn't help).
- Completed a couple of certs while Singapore institutions and pursuing a Masters.
- Have 4 Letters of Assessments
- Dating local Singapore Chinese girl, but no plans for marriage.

Just wondering wondering what Singapore is currently looking for PRs. Are they essentially also need for me to settle down and have a kid before even looking at my application seriously? Just a thought.

What are your takes on this?

Thank you


1. Is your degree from a local university? What is your degree in?
2. How long are you on the E Pass?

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby singaporeflyer » Thu, 01 Jun 2017 6:23 pm

boukenace wrote:
Just wondering wondering what Singapore is currently looking for PRs.


Singapore is looking for talented professionals, who will take PR first and then convert to Citizen in future.

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby boukenace » Thu, 01 Jun 2017 7:13 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
boukenace wrote:
Just wondering wondering what Singapore is currently looking for PRs.


Singapore is looking for talented professionals, who will take PR first and then convert to Citizen in future.


What kind of talent?

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby boukenace » Thu, 01 Jun 2017 7:14 pm

singaporeflyer wrote:
boukenace wrote:Hello Everyone,

Just got my first rejection letter after 5 months and a couple of weeks of waiting.

I don't know why was the exact reason for the rejection, but it may have a bit to do with education, race, etc. Below are my credentials:

- Applied Dec 13 2016
- Rejected Jun 1 2017

- Male
- 30 years old
- Puerto Rican (American citizen) (Classified as "Latin" Race)
- 4 years, 10 months in Singapore
- Upgraded from S Pass to E-Pass
-Worked for 1 local company, and 2 international companies thus far.
- Salary 70K Annum (was 36K when I first arrived)
- Former US military veteran
- No degree when I arrived, but a lot of industry experience (Media Industry)
- Got my degree in 2015, while working full-time (probably one of the reason why my pass was upgraded)
- Volunteer at a local no profit related to my field, currently a committee member. Been there over 4 years. (Chairman wrote a letter or recommendation, but that didn't help).
- Completed a couple of certs while Singapore institutions and pursuing a Masters.
- Have 4 Letters of Assessments
- Dating local Singapore Chinese girl, but no plans for marriage.

Just wondering wondering what Singapore is currently looking for PRs. Are they essentially also need for me to settle down and have a kid before even looking at my application seriously? Just a thought.

What are your takes on this?

Thank you


1. Is your degree from a local university? What is your degree in?
2. How long are you on the E Pass?


Degree from a US university, in Film.
E-Pass is until October 2017

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 01 Jun 2017 10:38 pm

My guess? The gahmen sees you in this way.

  1. You got your degree through distance learning, and the authorities here don't make much of an attempt to differentiate degrees from "reputed" unis and legitimate accredited online degrees. Your degree probably didn't count for much.

  2. You're the wrong flavor... you don't fit into the race boxes that define Singapore, and I judge that Singapore deems homogeneous races to be better than all sorts of splinter groups that might stir up trouble and demand more rights.

  3. You're in "film", something that is not viewed as "important" in Singapore. We want PMET's... techies, pharma, nano bio, big finance. Film? You'll probably produce something the gahmen will have to censor.

  4. You are an American. The chances of you giving up American citizenship to take on Singapore citizenship are slim. Therefore, PR is not a stepping stone to citizenship for you, another negative.

  5. You've been here five years, still single, and no male children cannon fodder for NS. The gahmen judges that you haven't "settled down" in five years.

They would like you a lot better if you were Chinese, married, had a boy or two for NS, and held a citizenship you wouldn't mind giving up.

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 01 Jun 2017 10:46 pm

boukenace wrote:- Dating local Singapore Chinese girl, but no plans for marriage.


May I ask why not ?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:28 pm

ecureilx wrote:
boukenace wrote:- Dating local Singapore Chinese girl, but no plans for marriage.


May I ask why not ?


Why buy the cow if you are already getting the milk for free? :-k

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby ecureilx » Fri, 02 Jun 2017 8:36 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
boukenace wrote:- Dating local Singapore Chinese girl, but no plans for marriage.


May I ask why not ?


Why buy the cow if you are already getting the milk for free? :-k


You are spoiling the fun :D :D And there goes my thesis data !!!!

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 02 Jun 2017 2:05 pm

:mrgreen: :lol: :lol:

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby bcheng74 » Fri, 02 Jun 2017 11:31 pm

ecureilx wrote:
boukenace wrote:- Dating local Singapore Chinese girl, but no plans for marriage.


May I ask why not ?


A related question... did the OP mention this point about dating a local but no plan to marry in the original PR application?


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Postby ecureilx » Sat, 03 Jun 2017 2:01 pm

bcheng74 wrote:A related question... did the OP mention this point about dating a local but no plan to marry in the original PR application?


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gee, how did I forget that ICA gives additional points for dating / living with / NSA with local girls ?


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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby PNGMK » Sat, 03 Jun 2017 4:12 pm

You're not the Camp Kilo Dude are you? If so I'd be amazed if you didn't eventually get PR.
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Pay me $5k for 100% success filling in PR form!

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby snoogs359 » Thu, 29 Jun 2017 3:13 pm

Long time lurker, rejected twice previously for PR. Wanted to get some opinions on my profile and whether I should apply again:

Age: 45
Race/Nationality: Korean/American born
Degree: BA from top 25 university in US
PEP Pass
In Singapore since: 07/2012
2 Children- boy and girl- both born in Singapore (boy just born 30 days ago)
Wife: PRC on dependent pass
Salary: 12k+/month
Field of work: FSI software/IT
Intention: Use PR as pathway for citizenship if possible.

-Have been doing a lot of local work at grassroots level via my local church. Almost all of my friends are local Singaporeans. All encourage to keep trying but after 2 rejects....am thinking the message is loud and clear. Thoughts?

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Re: PR 'Rejected': What really matters to Singapore in 2017?

Postby CashewNut » Wed, 12 Jul 2017 6:38 pm

snoogs359 wrote:Long time lurker, rejected twice previously for PR. Wanted to get some opinions on my profile and whether I should apply again:

Age: 45
Race/Nationality: Korean/American born
Degree: BA from top 25 university in US
PEP Pass
In Singapore since: 07/2012
2 Children- boy and girl- both born in Singapore (boy just born 30 days ago)
Wife: PRC on dependent pass
Salary: 12k+/month
Field of work: FSI software/IT
Intention: Use PR as pathway for citizenship if possible.

-Have been doing a lot of local work at grassroots level via my local church. Almost all of my friends are local Singaporeans. All encourage to keep trying but after 2 rejects....am thinking the message is loud and clear. Thoughts?


The PEP might be a negative, not sure that you can even apply with that or who would fill out the employers declaration on the form. The PEP is usually for high earning foreign professionals who go from job to job. They might think you're not a stayer. Are actually employed full time and have been for some time?


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