EP Rejection

[Wd40]

Knowing Singapore, I don't think, MoM doubts the legitimacy of the qualification. If it was so they would have investigated further and taken some serious action.

My guess is they think considering her qualification, her position and salary are very low, which actually makes sense. An MBA person with 8 years experience earning only 5.4k. I think the MBA has done her more harm than good.

Maybe this is something new, and MoM now wants people to really earn proportionate to their qualification and experience. They probably want to create a big wage inflation out here.

This could be problem for people like me too. For my experience, I should be at VP level in a bank earning 15k a month, I am earning only 8k. I guess, switching companies is a big risk in this environment, on an EP.

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[lagimoana]

Do bank VPs really only make 15k a month? Is that the base, with benefits on top of that? With International School fees around $6-8k a month for two kids, there wouldn't be much leftover...after rent etc. My husband is a software engineer at a bank and earns close to that, and we're homeschooling.

[Wd40]

Do bank VPs really only make 15k a month? Is that the base, with benefits on top of that? With International School fees around $6-8k a month for two kids, there wouldn't be much leftover...after rent etc. My husband is a software engineer at a bank and earns close to that, and we're homeschooling.

Bank VPs can also be software engineer. VP in a bank in IT is someone with around 12 years plus experience. 15k is like the lower end, without benefits. I am 15 years experience, just that I don't have any ambition to grow up the ladder. I am content with doing my job and scoot off at 6pm. But, I guess MoM wouldn't like people like me.

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[x9200]

Do bank VPs really only make 15k a month? Is that the base, with benefits on top of that? With International School fees around $6-8k a month for two kids, there wouldn't be much leftover...after rent etc. My husband is a software engineer at a bank and earns close to that, and we're homeschooling.

Bank VPs can also be software engineer. VP in a bank in IT is someone with around 12 years plus experience. 15k is like the lower end, without benefits. I am 15 years experience, just that I don't have any ambition to grow up the ladder. I am content with doing my job and scoot off at 6pm. But, I guess MoM wouldn't like people like me.

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For what you said above, you would be in much worse situation working at the bank, and earning much more than now - unless you were untouchable with guaranty to stay at your position till the retirement. Earning more, with the ambition to focus only on the technical stuff is a trap so you made one day a very good decision.

[lagimoana]

My husband has no ambition either, and leaves at 6:00pm, so he's probably reached his career maximum salary

It's way more than we need, to be happy. When we moved to Australia I think he was on $57k/year, working in R & D in a tech company, and we were still happy. We only asked for that amount because we thought we'd be paying school fees. Turns out the school fees are more than $30k/student as we were advised by the recruiter. I mean there are some schools at that price but most are at least $35k. The ones that would match the local government school we had carefully selected for our kids, would be $38-$40k/year, and we'd need the application fee and one or two terms upfront, so tens of thousands of dollars. It was just too off-putting in the end, so now he has this higher salary and we have all this spare cash and I have a massive job ahead of me

[expat12]

Hi SMS,

Jst one doubt.Is it that all the applications which has distance education degress will be rejected by MOM

Thanks
Lekshmi

[sundaymorningstaple]

Not necessarily. Depends on how they feel about the actual qualities and track record of said schools. Some schools, especially in 3rd world countries have some accredited degrees with the MOM/ICA but not necessarily all courses in a given school, many have only one or two degree courses that are accredited and recognized by the authorities here in Singapore. Sadly, they don't print out the lists (they used to many years ago in the infancy of the internet until people started submitting tailor made CVs (mostly bogus). This gave one country in particular a really bad name that is still haunting them today.

[kurtrules1]

Ok, so the situation gets a bit more murkier.

My wife has got an "extension" to her EP for a period of 30 days, till the time the MOM does not come up with the result of the appeal for her EP renewal rejection. So that leaves me with a couple of questions, that I was hoping to get some answers to, from you gentlemen.

The extension letter has two enclosures
a) A visit pass and embarkation form.
b) A temporary extension of work pass letter which states that if the EP is approved, the 1 month
period of extension will be included in the total duration of the work pass validity.

What it does not state is what will happen if the EP renewal appeal is rejected. So the question is
a) In case the EP is rejected, will she get a fresh SVP of a month's validity from the date of rejection?
b) Or, if the EP is rejected, will she have to leave the country when the current visit pass' validity expires? This is tricky, because in the worst case scenario. if they reject the EP renewal appeal on the last date of the visit pass' validity, that leaves her a few hours to leave the country or be persecuted for overstaying which we definitely do not want.

The other question I have is - Can I apply for her DP? I am left confused because technically her EP is valid for another month, and on the other hand, she has a visit pass for the month's duration.

Appreciate your answers to my query. Thanks!

PS: This is from the letter, verbatim:

1) We are pleased to inform you that your Employment Pass has been extended till <date of expiry> under the same work pass conditions. In the event that your renewal application is approved and the renewal pass is finally issued, the total duration given to you in this temporary work pass extension will be taken into account in the final computation of your renewal pass
expiry date.

2) Please retain this letter and the original Employment Pass as a proof that your work pass has been extended.

[ecureilx]

a) In case the EP is rejected, will she get a fresh SVP of a month's validity from the date of rejection?

Not likely, not possible, so be prepared for no more extensions.

b) Or, if the EP is rejected, will she have to leave the country when the current visit pass' validity expires? This is tricky, because in the worst case scenario. if they reject the EP renewal appeal on the last date of the visit pass' validity, that leaves her a few hours to leave the country or be persecuted for overstaying which we definitely do not want.

Send her home early then, unless you like to tempt fate !! Serious advice.

The other question I have is - Can I apply for her DP? I am left confused because technically her EP is valid for another month, and on the other hand, she has a visit pass for the month's duration.

Why didn't you apply fro DP ?

EP Expires on the date extended to, so whats the confusion ?

[kurtrules1]

The confusion is that her EP expires in a month from now, and the norm is on the expiration of the EP, an SVP is issued with a validity spanning a month (Or is it only on EP cancellation BEFORE the EP expiration?). In her case, both the EP expiration has been extended and the SVP has been issued. Hence, I am not sure of if I can still apply for a DP when the EP IS valid.

[kurtrules1]

An update here. Might be useful to others who end up in a similar situation. My wife has an EP extension and a SVP, BOTH sent as a part of a single EP extension letter.

1) The MOM does issue an extension to the EP IF the EP gets rejected and the appeal is pending but the date of expiry has passed. One reason behind this confusion was - the employer was dumb enough to wait the bare minimum of 3 weeks for applying for a renewal whereas he/she could have done that 6 months prior to the expiry date on the card. This extension and its duration is on a case to case basis.

2) Upon the result of the appeal IF a) the appeal is approved then, well, good! BUT b) if it is rejected, then the MOM WILL issue a fresh SVP to the applicant valid for another 30 days to sort out his/her issues and either leave the country or become a dependent to stay further.

This is the norm, but there might be variances. It is not a mandate.

I talked to my HR and she talked to a representative in MOM & got this info.

[ecureilx]

An update here. Might be useful to others who end up in a similar situation. My wife has an EP extension and a SVP, BOTH sent as a part of a single EP extension letter.

1) The MOM does issue an extension to the EP IF the EP gets rejected and the appeal is pending but the date of expiry has passed. One reason behind this confusion was - the employer was dumb enough to wait the bare minimum of 3 weeks for applying for a renewal whereas he/she could have done that 6 months prior to the expiry date on the card. This extension and its duration is on a case to case basis.

2) Upon the result of the appeal IF a) the appeal is approved then, well, good! BUT b) if it is rejected, then the MOM WILL issue a fresh SVP to the applicant valid for another 30 days to sort out his/her issues and either leave the country or become a dependent to stay further.

This is the norm, but there might be variances. It is not a mandate.

I talked to my HR and she talked to a representative in MOM & got this info.

PS, the appeal getting you a extension was NOT the norm. I know that from a lot of personal experience.

Though getting an extension at the time of appeal used to be the norm like 10 years ago, when they allowed extensions for upto 3 months, but then this was tightened, with only one extension allowed. For 2, correct, they strictly don't extend any more, going by past experience.

I guess in your case, that you as spouse is in Singapore, may have made a difference.

[kurtrules1]

I am posting the last update. It's been a roller coaster ride for us the past month.

My wife's EP rejection appeal was rejected yesterday. But she has the extension letter which has a validity till 9th i.e. next week Friday. Does the rejection affect that? Can she still work till the 7th?

Moreover, the employer stated that the MOM will grant another SVP after he cancels the EP. He will cancel the EP on the 7th.

[Wd40]

I am posting the last update. It's been a roller coaster ride for us the past month.

My wife's EP rejection appeal was rejected yesterday. But she has the extension letter which has a validity till 9th i.e. next week Friday. Does the rejection affect that? Can she still work till the 7th?

Moreover, the employer stated that the MOM will grant another SVP after he cancels the EP. He will cancel the EP on the 7th.

I don't think rejection affects the extension date. The extension date should stay as it is.

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[ecureilx]

Moreover, the employer stated that the MOM will grant another SVP after he cancels the EP. He will cancel the EP on the 7th.

Employer is NOT MOM. It is "may" Grant... Unless rules changed recently, getting a SVP extension after pass Cancellation / appeal failure May be hard. Except if they take into consideration the spouse' status.

Be prepared for her to fly back.