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Mustafa-Shoplifting 35$ - Indian tourist

Postby Aryan4123 » Sat, 20 May 2017 1:55 pm

Hi,

Need help for one my indian friend tourist in Singapore from past one week for two more days stay. He was arrested for shop lifting yesterday (Mustafa-perfume-35$ shoplifting), currently he is release by IO and asked him to meet on Tuesday (23, May).

In his statement he said he is remorseful and he has done first and last time this kind of offence. Though he bought few things and paid for it , in total he paid around 90$ and 35$ dollar he didn’t paid.

IO told him that he is considering his remorselessness and acceptance of apology and warning him and releasing him now but he will show the case to prosecutor. And if prosecutor think that he need to go on charge then case will go to court and based on judge judgement either there will be jail or fine.

Though he said hopefully you will be asked to go back to your country by Tuesday or Wednesday but it may take a week time too.
Please suggest when can my friend go to his country and like generally what happen in this kind of cases. He is ready to pay fine too if required.
Please help him he is very scared and want to go back to his country ASAP.
Any idea how much time it will take to get him back to his country generally.

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Re: Mustafa-Shoplifting 35$ - Indian tourist

Postby ecureilx » Sat, 20 May 2017 10:45 pm

Aryan4123 wrote:Hi,

Need help for one my indian friend tourist in Singapore from past one week for two more days stay. He was arrested for shop lifting yesterday (Mustafa-perfume-35$ shoplifting), currently he is release by IO and asked him to meet on Tuesday (23, May).

In his statement he said he is remorseful and he has done first and last time this kind of offence. Though he bought few things and paid for it , in total he paid around 90$ and 35$ dollar he didn’t paid.

IO told him that he is considering his remorselessness and acceptance of apology and warning him and releasing him now but he will show the case to prosecutor. And if prosecutor think that he need to go on charge then case will go to court and based on judge judgement either there will be jail or fine.

Though he said hopefully you will be asked to go back to your country by Tuesday or Wednesday but it may take a week time too.
Please suggest when can my friend go to his country and like generally what happen in this kind of cases. He is ready to pay fine too if required.
Please help him he is very scared and want to go back to his country ASAP.
Any idea how much time it will take to get him back to his country generally.


if it was a genuine mistake he should have challenged the decision.

On the other hand if it was intentional - hiding the perfume - good luck.

It can take anything till 2 to 4 weeks. If the IO is kind.

Offer of fine don't work, generally.

He's gonna be deported

The IO will arrange visa extension if needed.

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Re: Mustafa-Shoplifting 35$ - Indian tourist

Postby Aryan4123 » Sat, 20 May 2017 10:54 pm

IO said he dont want to put him for month, it can take a week or worst case two. And my friend asked about anything on passport then he said no he wont make anything on passport.

Do you think is there any indication that IO can fasten up the process. Like he said that he can see it can work in tuesday and wednesday too hopefully but he cant assure anything.

Is it usual IO respond or we can keep our hope to get free in a week time.

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Postby ecureilx » Sat, 20 May 2017 11:11 pm

Aryan4123 wrote:IO said he dont want to put him for month, it can take a week or worst case two. And my friend asked about anything on passport then he said no he wont make anything on passport.

Do you think is there any indication that IO can fasten up the process. Like he said that he can see it can work in tuesday and wednesday too hopefully but he cant assure anything.

Is it usual IO respond or we can keep our hope to get free in a week time.

Speed up ?

Are you serious ?

There'll be nothing in the passport but a criminal record in Singapore

Discharge with warning is still on record, in Singapore!

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Postby Aryan4123 » Sat, 20 May 2017 11:15 pm

Thanks for your reply!

IO told him that it can be complete in a week or worst case two. But again he keep all the options open two beside saying this.

Will he put in jail ?

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Postby ecureilx » Sun, 21 May 2017 6:05 pm

Aryan4123 wrote:Thanks for your reply!

IO told him that it can be complete in a week or worst case two. But again he keep all the options open two beside saying this.

Will he put in jail ?

Maybe.. maybe not

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Postby PNGMK » Sun, 21 May 2017 6:21 pm

1. Shoplifting in Mustafa is just stupid. They have loss retention officers and systems EVERYWHERE.

2. The decision is NOT THE IO's. It's the AGC and they may decide not to prosecute.

3. If not prosecution then he will have an arrest record in Singapore. Probably not a big issue in the long term if he doesn't plan to work here. If he is prosecuted 99% chance he will be found guilty and prison is possible for sure. Regardless a conviction will result in a permanent record that maybe available to other jurisdictions. He probably should retain legal counsel.

Frankly your mate is an idiot.
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Postby Aryan4123 » Sun, 21 May 2017 7:27 pm

PNGMK wrote:1. Shoplifting in Mustafa is just stupid. They have loss retention officers and systems EVERYWHERE.

2. The decision is NOT THE IO's. It's the AGC and they may decide not to prosecute.

3. If not prosecution then he will have an arrest record in Singapore. Probably not a big issue in the long term if he doesn't plan to work here. If he is prosecuted 99% chance he will be found guilty and prison is possible for sure. Regardless a conviction will result in a permanent record that maybe available to other jurisdictions. He probably should retain legal counsel.

Frankly your mate is an idiot.



I agree on the idiot part. What do you think quantum of punishment can be. What are the chances that prosecutor may not charge him.
And worst case jail could of how many days ? (He has look after his family in India and his mother is worried about him)

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Postby ecureilx » Sun, 21 May 2017 8:12 pm

Aryan4123 wrote:
I agree on the idiot part. What do you think quantum of punishment can be. What are the chances that prosecutor may not charge him.
And worst case jail could of how many days ? (He has look after his family in India and his mother is worried about him)


admitting to the crime in Singapore so far rarely won consideration..

And Mustafa security always will refuse to drop charges.

So high chance he'll be locked up. Very low chance the charges will be dropped and deported.

Mother and father worried ? Hmmm.

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Re: Mustafa-Shoplifting 35$ - Indian tourist

Postby PNGMK » Mon, 22 May 2017 8:21 am

Aryan4123 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:1. Shoplifting in Mustafa is just stupid. They have loss retention officers and systems EVERYWHERE.

2. The decision is NOT THE IO's. It's the AGC and they may decide not to prosecute.

3. If not prosecution then he will have an arrest record in Singapore. Probably not a big issue in the long term if he doesn't plan to work here. If he is prosecuted 99% chance he will be found guilty and prison is possible for sure. Regardless a conviction will result in a permanent record that maybe available to other jurisdictions. He probably should retain legal counsel.

Frankly your mate is an idiot.



I agree on the idiot part. What do you think quantum of punishment can be. What are the chances that prosecutor may not charge him.
And worst case jail could of how many days ? (He has look after his family in India and his mother is worried about him)


Nobody here is a solicitor or barrister - if you want specific answers then your 'friend' needs a lawyer. However the most recent shoplifting case on here resulted in a fine and she was a repeat offender so perhaps he will get off.
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Re: Mustafa-Shoplifting 35$ - Indian tourist

Postby ecureilx » Mon, 22 May 2017 10:02 am

PNGMK wrote:Nobody here is a solicitor or barrister - if you want specific answers then your 'friend' needs a lawyer. However the most recent shoplifting case on here resulted in a fine and she was a repeat offender so perhaps he will get off.


The current trend is not to go weak on Foreigners :(

May not have the same outcome here. ..

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Postby PNGMK » Mon, 22 May 2017 6:01 pm

ecureilx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:Nobody here is a solicitor or barrister - if you want specific answers then your 'friend' needs a lawyer. However the most recent shoplifting case on here resulted in a fine and she was a repeat offender so perhaps he will get off.


The current trend is not to go weak on Foreigners :(

May not have the same outcome here. ..


Yes I forgot the klepto was a Singaporean Citizen Woman. OP appears to be an idiotic Indian male.
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Re: Mustafa-Shoplifting 35$ - Indian tourist

Postby Aryan4123 » Sun, 28 May 2017 9:11 pm

For all those people who might refer this post in future: (Based on my friend's case experience)

1) Never ever try to do stealing in Singapore- small or big amount. NEVER, this country is safe for a reason, laws are strict and never ever try to play with that. RESPECT Singapore!
2) Unfortunately, you caught stealing, better accept the mistake (If you are guilty).
3) Don’t ask too many questions when they arrest or when IO talks with you (Cooperate with police always).
4) Singapore expats experts might comment based on their experience so it might not true in all the instance, As off course not in this case too (not even slight near), they scared my friend with extreme responses.
5) Once you got caught, they will take you to the lock up (I am talking about stealing of low amount might be up to 300 $) you might be locked up overnight, IO will talk to you, If you accept the crime, He will leave you and ask you to come later, as case will go to prosecutor.
6) Prosecutor will decide whether case will go to court or he/she will give stern warning and leave with passport or any other document which they held. (Duration will be like 3-4-5 days in case of tourist from leaving you till calling you again)
8) This case observation: Prosecution wont charge for minor crime (like 35$ stealing ) in this case, they will give you stern warning and return your passport provided you are clean in the past.
But If in case they charge you, your case will go to court and court will decide whether you should be go to jail or not. Most of the time based quantum of the crime cases will go to court.
Verdict of this case : Passport return my friend going back to India
One advice to singapore expats: If you do not know things dont suggest something extreme, remember irrespective of anything you are here to help people not scare.

Global Advice: You committed mistake, everyone does that in life in one form or another, Be the gentleman to face the music of your crime. Don’t worry be calm and stay strong.
Life will give you second chance!

Thanks!

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Re: Mustafa-Shoplifting 35$ - Indian tourist

Postby Aryan4123 » Sun, 28 May 2017 9:14 pm

PNGMK wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:Nobody here is a solicitor or barrister - if you want specific answers then your 'friend' needs a lawyer. However the most recent shoplifting case on here resulted in a fine and she was a repeat offender so perhaps he will get off.


The current trend is not to go weak on Foreigners :(

May not have the same outcome here. ..


Yes I forgot the klepto was a Singaporean Citizen Woman. OP appears to be an idiotic Indian male.


"Calling names like idiotic is very easy. Have an empathy brother, I hope you wont do any "Idiotic" mistake in life else KARMA. Help people, you are here to do that not calling names and scaring them."

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Re: Mustafa-Shoplifting 35$ - Indian tourist

Postby ecureilx » Mon, 29 May 2017 12:49 am

Aryan4123 wrote:For all those people who might refer this post in future: (Based on my friend's case experience)

1) Never ever try to do stealing in Singapore- small or big amount. NEVER, this country is safe for a reason, laws are strict and never ever try to play with that. RESPECT Singapore!
2) Unfortunately, you caught stealing, better accept the mistake (If you are guilty).
3) Don’t ask too many questions when they arrest or when IO talks with you (Cooperate with police always).
4) Singapore expats experts might comment based on their experience so it might not true in all the instance, As off course not in this case too (not even slight near), they scared my friend with extreme responses.
5) Once you got caught, they will take you to the lock up (I am talking about stealing of low amount might be up to 300 $) you might be locked up overnight, IO will talk to you, If you accept the crime, He will leave you and ask you to come later, as case will go to prosecutor.
6) Prosecutor will decide whether case will go to court or he/she will give stern warning and leave with passport or any other document which they held. (Duration will be like 3-4-5 days in case of tourist from leaving you till calling you again)
8) This case observation: Prosecution wont charge for minor crime (like 35$ stealing ) in this case, they will give you stern warning and return your passport provided you are clean in the past.
But If in case they charge you, your case will go to court and court will decide whether you should be go to jail or not. Most of the time based quantum of the crime cases will go to court.
Verdict of this case : Passport return my friend going back to India
One advice to singapore expats: If you do not know things dont suggest something extreme, remember irrespective of anything you are here to help people not scare.


Global Advice: You committed mistake, everyone does that in life in one form or another, Be the gentleman to face the music of your crime. Don’t worry be calm and stay strong.
Life will give you second chance!

Thanks!


interesting choice of words.

Though I would suggest this : if you can't stand advice, especially from those who have seen and felt others personally in similar circumstances, don't ask for it. Especially if you only want sugar coated answers....

PS, your friend, (or was it you ?) got off easily, lady luck has been smiling on him a lot.

PPS, I know a person who's staff got deported for a similar crime, and the value of the item was 50$ I think. So, yes, steal something below 35 $ to have the same outcome as your friend, am I correct ? ;)

Good night !


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