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Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
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Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
Domestic Helper asked ("forced") to sign document by Agent and existing Employer.
"I agree to be barred from the Casino......"
She was told "if don't sign, we send you home....".
Is such a thing Legal? Morally bankrupt? Where next...?
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Aside, we increasingly this kind of thing (e.g. IRAS "...sign this giving us access to everything....").
"I agree to be barred from the Casino......"
She was told "if don't sign, we send you home....".
Is such a thing Legal? Morally bankrupt? Where next...?
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Aside, we increasingly this kind of thing (e.g. IRAS "...sign this giving us access to everything....").
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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
Is there any more context behind this?
i.e. was the maid having problems or causing problems because of gambling?
i.e. was the maid having problems or causing problems because of gambling?
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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
nobrian_singapore wrote:Is there any more context behind this?
i.e. was the maid having problems or causing problems because of gambling?
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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
In my personal view, morally bankrupt.
Probably legal. I can't remember what the standard contract says about notice & termination.
Probably legal. I can't remember what the standard contract says about notice & termination.
Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
I know of a similar case. The employer, without maid's knowledge, had her barred from the casino.
When the maid found out she changed employers. She still can't access the casino, seems only the original employer can reverse. Not that it's a problem, she never planned to go anyway. Employer was western.
When the maid found out she changed employers. She still can't access the casino, seems only the original employer can reverse. Not that it's a problem, she never planned to go anyway. Employer was western.
Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
Morally bankrupt, but then again, maybe the employer heard of a friend's friend's friend's maid who did a runner with loans ..martincymru wrote:Domestic Helper asked ("forced") to sign document by Agent and existing Employer.
"I agree to be barred from the Casino......"
She was told "if don't sign, we send you home....".
Is such a thing Legal? Morally bankrupt? Where next...?
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Aside, we increasingly this kind of thing (e.g. IRAS "...sign this giving us access to everything....").
Not necessarily from Casino .. one can easily spend a few hundred $ in Singapore pools.
Illegal ? Grey area.
Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
The form is supplied as standard with the other paperwork by the agencies - I think the agencies are pushing this to help their maids. I personally would be quite happy to see both casinos catch fire and end up as smouldering ruins so I am biased however I did not sign this for my last maid; "Lia the Moron".
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
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You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
It is legal IMHO to include such clause to a contract but of course if the contract was already in place nobody can force her to sign to include some additional restriction. The question is, from a purely practical perspective, what she can do about it.martincymru wrote:Domestic Helper asked ("forced") to sign document by Agent and existing Employer.
"I agree to be barred from the Casino......"
She was told "if don't sign, we send you home....".
Is such a thing Legal? Morally bankrupt? Where next...?
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Aside, we increasingly this kind of thing (e.g. IRAS "...sign this giving us access to everything....").
Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
This form is also provided by MOM Work Permit Online when MOM approved the domestic helper work permit.
Looks like it is a requirement by MOM and compulsory for the domestic helper to sign.
Looks like it is a requirement by MOM and compulsory for the domestic helper to sign.
Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
Fascinating. Seems even some government departments have worked out that the PAP should never have allowed legal gambling (aka organized crime) in Singapore.Pal wrote:This form is also provided by MOM Work Permit Online when MOM approved the domestic helper work permit.
Looks like it is a requirement by MOM and compulsory for the domestic helper to sign.
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
on a related positive note, MOM has tightened the insurance requirements for FDW. From the time they landed to the time they left Singapore, instead of the current grey areas / nobody is responsible if something happens while under the care of agency etc etc. Somebody is listening ...PNGMK wrote: Fascinating. Seems even some government departments have worked out that the PAP should never have allowed legal gambling (aka organized crime) in Singapore.
Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
Except the insurance is crap.ecureilx wrote:on a related positive note, MOM has tightened the insurance requirements for FDW. From the time they landed to the time they left Singapore, instead of the current grey areas / nobody is responsible if something happens while under the care of agency etc etc. Somebody is listening ...PNGMK wrote: Fascinating. Seems even some government departments have worked out that the PAP should never have allowed legal gambling (aka organized crime) in Singapore.
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?
I did read MOM's guidelines, specifying what must be covered. Not sure if any insurance company agreed to play ball with MOM's guidelines.PNGMK wrote:Except the insurance is crap.ecureilx wrote:on a related positive note, MOM has tightened the insurance requirements for FDW. From the time they landed to the time they left Singapore, instead of the current grey areas / nobody is responsible if something happens while under the care of agency etc etc. Somebody is listening ...PNGMK wrote: Fascinating. Seems even some government departments have worked out that the PAP should never have allowed legal gambling (aka organized crime) in Singapore.
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