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Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?

Postby martincymru » Tue, 09 May 2017 3:45 pm

Domestic Helper asked ("forced") to sign document by Agent and existing Employer.

"I agree to be barred from the Casino......"

She was told "if don't sign, we send you home....".

Is such a thing Legal? Morally bankrupt? Where next...?

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Aside, we increasingly this kind of thing (e.g. IRAS "...sign this giving us access to everything....").

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Postby brian_singapore » Tue, 09 May 2017 3:52 pm

Is there any more context behind this?

i.e. was the maid having problems or causing problems because of gambling?

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Postby martincymru » Tue, 09 May 2017 3:54 pm

brian_singapore wrote:Is there any more context behind this?

i.e. was the maid having problems or causing problems because of gambling?

no

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Postby brian_singapore » Tue, 09 May 2017 3:58 pm

In my personal view, morally bankrupt.

Probably legal. I can't remember what the standard contract says about notice & termination.

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Postby bgd » Tue, 09 May 2017 5:27 pm

I know of a similar case. The employer, without maid's knowledge, had her barred from the casino.

When the maid found out she changed employers. She still can't access the casino, seems only the original employer can reverse. Not that it's a problem, she never planned to go anyway. Employer was western.

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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 09 May 2017 5:38 pm

martincymru wrote:Domestic Helper asked ("forced") to sign document by Agent and existing Employer.

"I agree to be barred from the Casino......"

She was told "if don't sign, we send you home....".

Is such a thing Legal? Morally bankrupt? Where next...?

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Aside, we increasingly this kind of thing (e.g. IRAS "...sign this giving us access to everything....").


Morally bankrupt, but then again, maybe the employer heard of a friend's friend's friend's maid who did a runner with loans ..

Not necessarily from Casino .. one can easily spend a few hundred $ in Singapore pools.

Illegal ? Grey area.

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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?

Postby PNGMK » Wed, 10 May 2017 9:41 am

The form is supplied as standard with the other paperwork by the agencies - I think the agencies are pushing this to help their maids. I personally would be quite happy to see both casinos catch fire and end up as smouldering ruins so I am biased however I did not sign this for my last maid; "Lia the Moron".
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Postby x9200 » Wed, 10 May 2017 11:11 am

martincymru wrote:Domestic Helper asked ("forced") to sign document by Agent and existing Employer.

"I agree to be barred from the Casino......"

She was told "if don't sign, we send you home....".

Is such a thing Legal? Morally bankrupt? Where next...?

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Aside, we increasingly this kind of thing (e.g. IRAS "...sign this giving us access to everything....").

It is legal IMHO to include such clause to a contract but of course if the contract was already in place nobody can force her to sign to include some additional restriction. The question is, from a purely practical perspective, what she can do about it.

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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?

Postby Pal » Wed, 10 May 2017 11:14 am

This form is also provided by MOM Work Permit Online when MOM approved the domestic helper work permit.

Looks like it is a requirement by MOM and compulsory for the domestic helper to sign.
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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?

Postby PNGMK » Wed, 10 May 2017 6:06 pm

Pal wrote:This form is also provided by MOM Work Permit Online when MOM approved the domestic helper work permit.

Looks like it is a requirement by MOM and compulsory for the domestic helper to sign.


Fascinating. Seems even some government departments have worked out that the PAP should never have allowed legal gambling (aka organized crime) in Singapore.
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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 11 May 2017 7:53 am

PNGMK wrote:Fascinating. Seems even some government departments have worked out that the PAP should never have allowed legal gambling (aka organized crime) in Singapore.


on a related positive note, MOM has tightened the insurance requirements for FDW. From the time they landed to the time they left Singapore, instead of the current grey areas / nobody is responsible if something happens while under the care of agency etc etc. Somebody is listening ...

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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?

Postby PNGMK » Thu, 11 May 2017 8:09 am

ecureilx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:Fascinating. Seems even some government departments have worked out that the PAP should never have allowed legal gambling (aka organized crime) in Singapore.


on a related positive note, MOM has tightened the insurance requirements for FDW. From the time they landed to the time they left Singapore, instead of the current grey areas / nobody is responsible if something happens while under the care of agency etc etc. Somebody is listening ...

Except the insurance is crap.
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Re: Sign This or We Fire You - Legal ?

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 11 May 2017 9:58 am

PNGMK wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
PNGMK wrote:Fascinating. Seems even some government departments have worked out that the PAP should never have allowed legal gambling (aka organized crime) in Singapore.


on a related positive note, MOM has tightened the insurance requirements for FDW. From the time they landed to the time they left Singapore, instead of the current grey areas / nobody is responsible if something happens while under the care of agency etc etc. Somebody is listening ...

Except the insurance is crap.


I did read MOM's guidelines, specifying what must be covered. Not sure if any insurance company agreed to play ball with MOM's guidelines.


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