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Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby yesitsme » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 11:44 am

I see, they are your roots I presume ? Is that in the Indian language Indians speak ?


Yes..I am a person of Indian origin :).. 'jana gana mana' is India's national anthem..written in Bengali which is one of the many languages spoken in India.. The last census of India recorded that people communicate in 100+ languages and 1000+ dialects across the sub continent.. :):) Bengali is one of the popular ones among them..

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Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby x9200 » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 11:58 am

yesitsme wrote:On the 'Jana Gana Mana' and 'Majulah Singapura'..you hit the nail in the head.. I agree absolutely.. people like me who have gone through a different kind of education/nation building process will never feel the same emotion level as someone who is born on this soil will.. its a no-brainer if anyone thinks otherwise..what ever i do..how ever i live..i will be called a "new citizen.. there is no doing away with that reality for us..

I am pretty sure the SG gov is aware of this. If they would like to count on some true loyalty, they wouldn't be enforcing no double citizenship rule. It's again about being very pragmatic.

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Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby netflixsg » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 4:40 pm

yesitsme wrote:Thanks for the education. Not just green card lottery..even regular green card queue system is also based on country of birth of applicant and spouse..please educate me if I am wrong.. so don't use their ignorance as an excuse to convince yourself of doing/saying what you want to do.

Keep emotions aide.. if the end goal is somehow ending up in US !!!.. tell me what an average wait time would be for EP>PR>SC>H1 special quota vs a Indian tech worker getting H1/L1/F1 (yes H1 is not the only option).. Most SC applications approved for Indians typically are PMET types with above average salaries.. The 1 in 4 success rate for H1 you mention might be good for the overall Indian tech worker pool. The pool which qualifies for SC in most cases have strong enough profiles to make in the 1 in 4 queue with ease..

All in all if you don't see the point still ..good luck!! ..Regarding trump doing away with whatever privileges do you feel that everyone else is some how immune from what might come? I think we are digressing now..so will stop..



excuse? I guess you must be still feeling confused on what your identity is. Read this loud everyday new citizen
We, the citizens of Singapore, pledge ourselves as one united people, regardless of race, language or religion.To build a democratic society, based on justice and equality, so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and progress for our nation.


Do you get my point here? I don't think you do. The applicant is a MoE scholar, NUS undergrad alum and has to work in Singapore until June 2018 as part of the bond. During this period, EP>PR is already completed. 1 year of REP is on the way to completion. Their citizenship application is already submitted. Upon getting a SC, the applicant already has a job offer in the US (also disclosed by him) which would easily qualify him for a H1B1 (not H1B).
More facts: The H1B1 is a forever renewable non immigrant visa and while in the US you can apply for H1B every year and try your luck. H1B pool is for anyone and everyone and not just Indian so the 1 in 4 probability means more. Also no employer would offer you a job 'easily' if you are looking for a H1B sponsorship since you have to wait for the lottery to work out in your favor and 4 to 5 months of processing. L1 visa is something that company (after working for 1 year in that company) offers for a transfer but thats valid for only for 5 years or 7 years but with no extension. F1 visa? Would you want to study again just for a F1 > H1 > GC? Ah come on, the applicant is a MoE scholar and I bet he/she is smarter not to waste time on this. With Trump, if the applicant qualifies for H1B1 he is very immunized and he can wait for another 3 years on H1B1 (from 2018) ~ Simple math here!
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Re: RE: Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby netflixsg » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 4:49 pm

ecureilx wrote:Can you can confirm ICA gives points for Facebook posts ? I should suggest that to some desperate souls dying to anchor themselves in Singapore, these folks as I said, aren't high earners or in top positions, but have lived here so long, so long their mathematical usefulness to Singapore maybe nearing their product life.

Because of late, as I said, ICA don't seem to give a rat's a** even for ministry awards for community service. Anything to help the case for "good citizenry" will be great.

PS, what is Jana Jana Jana ?



I would be happy if those desperate souls be aware of this. They use their profile and their age to their advantage. The applicants I talked about are below 30! I saw a pattern recently, one particular group who volunteer for a NGO which works on domestic workers welfare, have been consistently portraying a pro Singaporean posts on their profile.

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Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby yesitsme » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 7:04 pm

to work in Singapore until June 2018 as part of the bond. During this period, EP>PR is already completed. 1 year of REP is on the way to completion. Their citizenship application is already submitted. Upon getting a SC, the applicant already has a job offer in the US (also disclosed by him)


the candidate in march 2017 has a job offer to start in june 2018 on some presumptions about about his citizenship status... now i am dealing with something beyond my comprehension here..so i give up and will shut up.. :) but thanks for the education on whats happening around us though..

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Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby netflixsg » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 7:12 pm

yesitsme wrote:
to work in Singapore until June 2018 as part of the bond. During this period, EP>PR is already completed. 1 year of REP is on the way to completion. Their citizenship application is already submitted. Upon getting a SC, the applicant already has a job offer in the US (also disclosed by him)


the candidate in march 2017 has a job offer to start in june 2018 on some presumptions about about his citizenship status... now i am dealing with something beyond my comprehension here..so i give up and will shut up.. :) but thanks for the education on whats happening around us though..


He knows his ex-manager who is willing to take him into his team. His ex-manager works for a well reputed software game player in San Francisco. Oh well at least you got educated with some facts. Hope you feel more Singaporean soon.

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Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 7:26 pm

Sounds like somebody has a bad case of sour grapes. I really feel sorry for him. Must be really awful having a case of green eyed jealousy so bad that they have to go out of their way to try to shaft others who have been lucky enough play their cards right in order to get ahead. Actually, rather pathetic, if one were to ask me. Sure hope he grows up some day. :roll:

One thing is for sure, he is holding up the Singapore stereotype of being a whiner, that's for sure.

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Postby ecureilx » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 7:30 pm

netflixsg wrote:I would be happy if those desperate souls be aware of this. They use their profile and their age to their advantage. The applicants I talked about are below 30! I saw a pattern recently, one particular group who volunteer for a NGO which works on domestic workers welfare, have been consistently portraying a pro Singaporean posts on their profile.


but you seem convinced enough that Facebook profile are taken into consideration ...

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Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby netflixsg » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 8:25 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Sounds like somebody has a bad case of sour grapes. I really feel sorry for him. Must be really awful having a case of green eyed jealousy so bad that they have to go out of their way to try to shaft others who have been lucky enough play their cards right in order to get ahead. Actually, rather pathetic, if one were to ask me. Sure hope he grows up some day. :roll:

One thing is for sure, he is holding up the Singapore stereotype of being a whiner, that's for sure.


It depends on how you look at it! If you are one of those who are keen to play their cards well, you would call it jealousy. If you seek fairness and if you feel the need for our country to prosper, you would call it a abuse of 'our' immigration system. I find it pathetic when you judge someone for seeking fairness. I wonder if you are a true blue Singaporean. I won't be surprised at all for all this comes from a expat forum where people can be just opportunistic. To end your judgement on jealousy: I rejected a offer to work in the States in the recent past.

You want a country's passport but you don't want to be part of it? Do you sense this irony? Someday when you try to headhunt for a local talent and if you can't fill up that quota, you could think about this post. Whiner? We have standards don't we? Keep judging. Go and talk to a local friend of yours about this and hear their perspective. Oh wait I assume you are just not a local, I might be wrong here. Oh you know why I go out of the way to report on this? I have known about a person who had to leave the country after job offer had been withdrawn due to his EP rejection and he is now in the UK trying to feed his family by working in a Subway food chain earning hourly wages. There are more cases to quote but I value my time. Things like these makes one wonder how is it even fair? That person who got his EP rejected was a potential contributor to the country but we let them go. And someone is trying to get SC to let go of the same country.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby netflixsg » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 8:26 pm

ecureilx wrote:
netflixsg wrote:I would be happy if those desperate souls be aware of this. They use their profile and their age to their advantage. The applicants I talked about are below 30! I saw a pattern recently, one particular group who volunteer for a NGO which works on domestic workers welfare, have been consistently portraying a pro Singaporean posts on their profile.


but you seem convinced enough that Facebook profile are taken into consideration ...


Yes I'm! It worked before and so I did.

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Postby x9200 » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 8:31 pm

netflixsg wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
netflixsg wrote:I would be happy if those desperate souls be aware of this. They use their profile and their age to their advantage. The applicants I talked about are below 30! I saw a pattern recently, one particular group who volunteer for a NGO which works on domestic workers welfare, have been consistently portraying a pro Singaporean posts on their profile.


but you seem convinced enough that Facebook profile are taken into consideration ...


Yes I'm! It worked before and so I did.

Is it the same case you described earlier saying you were arrogant?

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Unfair system for Citizenship Application

Postby netflixsg » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 8:40 pm

x9200 wrote:
netflixsg wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
but you seem convinced enough that Facebook profile are taken into consideration ...


Yes I'm! It worked before and so I did.

Is it the same case you described earlier saying you were arrogant?


I said I would sound arrogant if I claim credits for ICA's work. This is a different case where the person did get his SC but yeah I have nothing against his approval since he truly calls Singapore a home but just that I'm quoting that the process and his facebook activities could be taken into account. The one where I felt that the system was unfair is one who follow the former's foot step

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Postby ecureilx » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 9:16 pm

netflixsg wrote:Yes I'm! It worked before and so I did.


and in the same vein, have you helped a deserving individual jump the hoop ?

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Postby netflixsg » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 9:22 pm

ecureilx wrote:
netflixsg wrote:Yes I'm! It worked before and so I did.


and in the same vein, have you helped a deserving individual jump the hoop ?


I did some consultation & job references with the limited power I'm vested with. How else can I help? Do you know of any? I would love to help more

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Postby ecureilx » Sun, 12 Mar 2017 9:34 pm

netflixsg wrote:
I did some consultation & job references with the limited power I'm vested with. How else can I help? Do you know of any? I would love to help more


I am not sure you understood.

I just wondered if you helped anybody, or you only focus on pulling the rug under the feet..

Pray, since you have worked social media to rid Singapore of Evil, have you leveraged the social media to help anybody ?


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