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Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby blessed23 » Sun, 05 Feb 2017 9:05 pm

Hi Esteemed Members of Group,

Greetings!

Need your thoughts/advice. I am from India (based in Bangalore, India too) and have 6+ work experience in Web Analytics/ Audience Development. I'm looking for a job in Singapore in the same division.

I know the job situation is not so very pretty as how it used to be 3-4 years (probably) ago. But considering the work experience and the department, do you have any insight, how good my case would be?

I once visited Singapore in 2015 and loved the place a lot. Actually in many sorts better than New York. My personal opinion. :)

Also, one of my cousin who is working in IT in Singapore for many years, got PR 3 years ago. If I put his reference in my CV, will that make any difference? Or should I don't put that reference since it may have negative impact in any sorts?

Could someone please help.

Many thanks for your precious time! :)
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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:25 pm

It will make no difference. Personal references of any kind are pretty worthless.

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby blessed23 » Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:31 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:It will make no difference. Personal references of any kind are pretty worthless.


Thank you so much for your advice Strong Eagle! Important for me! :)

Also, do you have any suggestion for 6+ work exp Web Analytics job scenario?

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby Wd40 » Sun, 05 Feb 2017 10:48 pm

Reference helps only if the person who is referring you belongs to the same company in which the job opening is.

Job market in Singapore is in pretty bad shape. It's almost impossible for someone from overseas to land a job here unless you are special.

BTW, PR is pretty useless in Singapore. I know an Indian colleague of mine who is a PR and in IT. He did a big mistake of quitting his job before finding another one. Now it is 7 months and he is still jobless. Many people tried to help him by referring him in their organizations. But nothing has clicked so far. One of the big thing against him is he has crossed 40. Ageism is very rampant here. Getting PR is impossible. Yet having PR is also a liability. My friend tells me, he applied via the govt job bank but no company has called him. He had better success rate via monster and linked in. Jobsbank is hogwash.

To OP, my suggestion, look for good company in Bangalore that will send you onsite. Don't be picky about New York or Singapore. It is not easy to get onsite anywhere these days.

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby blessed23 » Mon, 06 Feb 2017 12:17 am

Wd40 wrote:Reference helps only if the person who is referring you belongs to the same company in which the job opening is.

Job market in Singapore is in pretty bad shape. It's almost impossible for someone from overseas to land a job here unless you are special...


Thanks Wd40 for sharing your insights, experiences and suggestions.

I too totally understand market is bad for foreigners (yes, in many countries these days) but daily I stuck at a point when I see numerous job openings for Web Analytics in LinkedIn, Indeed, Job Street etc. for 5+ years of work experience in Singapore. So, is it that these are only taken by locals and not by foreigners (though it is not mentioned in job advts that only locals are eligible; however in some cases it is mentioned) due to companies being strict and giving chance only to locals? Of course, locals have first right but is it that foreigners are not entertained at all?

I am under an impression, amid all market not suitable things, that a candidate with 5+ years work ex and especially in Web/Data Analytics field may get a job without much complexities (of course after proving the knowledge required). Please correct me and bust my myth if I am under wrong impression.

Thanks!

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby Strong Eagle » Mon, 06 Feb 2017 3:28 am

blessed23 wrote:I am under an impression, amid all market not suitable things, that a candidate with 5+ years work ex and especially in Web/Data Analytics field may get a job without much complexities (of course after proving the knowledge required). Please correct me and bust my myth if I am under wrong impression.

Thanks!


Singapore job ads are filled with fake jobs that no one will ever be hired for. Companies do it to collect batches of resumes and see what people will work for.

As to your question about Web/Data Analytics field, let me ask you this:

a) How many local firms even know what this is?
b) How many people in Singapore are going to be hired by MNC's when their project offices are in Europe or the US?
c) Given that a lot of the job can be run remotely, why would someone hire you at the salary you need to live in Singapore when they could hire the same you in Bangalore for half the amount.

I judge your chances are very slim. To make matters worse, Singapore is on the verge of self-induced mini-recession, and with the crash of the TPP, no telling what China will try to do to Singapore's economy.

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby x9200 » Mon, 06 Feb 2017 9:12 am

References may only help if the person:
1) is someone important
2) work for the company you apply the job for
Most critical, both of the above, needed to work with you, because the whole idea of the reference is to provide someone who can testify what you put in your CV is not a BS.

If you put your cousin and he never worked with you for any significant time it may actually work against you.

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby blessed23 » Mon, 06 Feb 2017 1:31 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:Singapore job ads are filled with fake jobs that no one will ever be hired for. Companies do it to collect batches of resumes and see what people will work for.


If it is so, it's an eye opener for me. But the job advts I see on LinkedIn are from big reputed MNCs. And what I see, the companies that have vacant positions in the field and are coming up in LinkedIn job search, have also people working with them on similar profiles. That's why my belief in getting a job grew.

Strong Eagle wrote: a) How many local firms even know what this is?
b) How many people in Singapore are going to be hired by MNC's when their project offices are in Europe or the US?
c) Given that a lot of the job can be run remotely, why would someone hire you at the salary you need to live in Singapore when they could hire the same you in Bangalore for half the amount.


a) I see many firms - banks, media/entertainment, publishing companies
b) It's true but I read at many places on web that Singapore is eyeing to become analytics hub. So at least such jobs might come
c) Totally agree. No doubt over it!

And once again thank you so much for sharing your vast amount of knowledge and experience with me! :)

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby blessed23 » Mon, 06 Feb 2017 1:42 pm

x9200 wrote:References may only help if the person:
1) is someone important
2) work for the company you apply the job for
Most critical, both of the above, needed to work with you, because the whole idea of the reference is to provide someone who can testify what you put in your CV is not a BS.

If you put your cousin and he never worked with you for any significant time it may actually work against you.


Thank you x9200!!! Yup, now I have got this idea (by Strong Eagle's and your views) that I shouldn't be putting his reference. But may be I have phrased it wrong. I don't want to put him as a reference in CV for calling and for background verification purposes. Definitely, since I have not worked with him, so it does not make any sense.

I was thinking to somehow put his reference (may be I'm not using the correct term) in CV, with having a notion that employers may take me as a serious candidate (just for the first round) as I know a Singapore PR person also. I don't know, this might sound funny/weird :D but I am just thinking of all possibilities to get into.

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby x9200 » Mon, 06 Feb 2017 1:59 pm

Yeah, it sounds funny. Don't do anything like that. Knowing a PR is nothing valuable for anybody.

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby blessed23 » Mon, 06 Feb 2017 2:07 pm

x9200 wrote:Yeah, it sounds funny. Don't do anything like that. Knowing a PR is nothing valuable for anybody.


Great. Thanks :)

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 07 Feb 2017 8:43 am

x9200 wrote:Yeah, it sounds funny. Don't do anything like that. Knowing a PR is nothing valuable for anybody.


I beg your pardon! I represent that! :P :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

Anyway, my wife thinks I'm valuable! :cool:

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby blessed23 » Tue, 07 Feb 2017 9:00 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I beg your pardon! I represent that! :P :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

Anyway, my wife thinks I'm valuable! :cool:


You are THE Moderator. I'm sure you are just not valuable to your wife only but to many many more :D 8-) :mrgreen:

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby x9200 » Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:00 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
x9200 wrote:Yeah, it sounds funny. Don't do anything like that. Knowing a PR is nothing valuable for anybody.


I beg your pardon! I represent that! :P :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

Anyway, my wife thinks I'm valuable! :cool:

But not for being a PR I hope?

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Re: Does Singapore PR reference impact in Job Search?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:32 am

x9200 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
x9200 wrote:Yeah, it sounds funny. Don't do anything like that. Knowing a PR is nothing valuable for anybody.


I beg your pardon! I represent that! :P :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

Anyway, my wife thinks I'm valuable! :cool:

But not for being a PR I hope?


I don't know. Considering my qualifications (or lack thereof - as the case may be) you could say I give hope to all those who apply as proof that the impossible is actually possible. :mrgreen:


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