She is only human. It was desperation that drove her to commit a crime and think irrationallyBarnsley wrote:ecureilx wrote:Tell her to stay off crime ?Selnur wrote:![]()
Oh dear, i dont know how else to help her
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Shop theft for 3rd time
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not singing praise about SG gov but as a citizen, there are lots of ways to seek help, other than stealing. Ways that are not open to non citizensSelnur wrote: She is only human. It was desperation that drove her to commit a crime and think irrationally
PS. Not running it In , but change "commit A crime" to "commit the same crime 3 times .. "

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Re: Shop theft for 3rd time
Personally, I don't think it was desperation, but more like stupidity or she has a psychological disorder that is causing her compulsion to steal.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers
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It could be so. But then again, i am not her. I pity her for doing so. She wasnt aware that she can apply for social help. She thought that was only for single mothers and those living in one room flats. 7 years apart from her 3rd mistake. Is that still considered a compulsive thief?sundaymorningstaple wrote:Personally, I don't think it was desperation, but more like stupidity or she has a psychological disorder that is causing her compulsion to steal.
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if she was a true blue Singaporean, she would know the law here never forgets !Selnur wrote:7 years apart from her 3rd mistake. Is that still considered a compulsive thief?
As for she didn't know about assistance - is it you or your friend who didn't know ? Even the most anti government person knows about community assistance by the govt.
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You mean 7 years from what is known as her official record.Selnur wrote:It could be so. But then again, i am not her. I pity her for doing so. She wasnt aware that she can apply for social help. She thought that was only for single mothers and those living in one room flats. 7 years apart from her 3rd mistake. Is that still considered a compulsive thief?sundaymorningstaple wrote:Personally, I don't think it was desperation, but more like stupidity or she has a psychological disorder that is causing her compulsion to steal.
She was so desperate, yet when caught she offered to settle. How? Stealing again, or there was still some other source of money? Similarly to what the other poster said, if she was really desperate, she would have found a job, just probably not a job of her dreams.
If you really want to help her, stop making for her lame excuses. Nobody, especially the court, is going to believe in them. You are contributing to her problems.
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Pay for her lawyer. Seriously that's the only thing that might actually help.Selnur wrote:
Oh dear, i dont know how else to help herPNGMK wrote:She may fail this;
Under the Merits Test, you must show that you have a good reason to bring or defend your case under the law
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
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I called Legal Aid yesterday. They told me that the case can be handled by Probono Law Society SG. Will tell her to go there after her meeting with her IO on 17 Jan 2017.PNGMK wrote:Pay for her lawyer. Seriously that's the only thing that might actually help.Selnur wrote:
Oh dear, i dont know how else to help herPNGMK wrote:She may fail this;
Under the Merits Test, you must show that you have a good reason to bring or defend your case under the law
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The probono guys are busying saving people from the noose or life in prison. I doubt they'll give her 5 mins of their time but if you CAN - at least see if you can get someone to agree to be with her and represent her in court.
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
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Thank you forr advice, it really helps. Will convey that to her. On a side note, she just received news that her husband has secured a new job and due to start next monday. Should see inform her IO about that and bring along her husband's appointment letter? She is scared out of her wits that mcys will take away her daughterPNGMK wrote:The probono guys are busying saving people from the noose or life in prison. I doubt they'll give her 5 mins of their time but if you CAN - at least see if you can get someone to agree to be with her and represent her in court.

Re: Shop theft for 3rd time
Why not? It shows;
1. Her husband can hire an FDW to support the kids while she is in prison.
2. Her husband can hire a lawyer to defend her in court.
IT does nothing to show that she should have stolen but might act in mitigation.
1. Her husband can hire an FDW to support the kids while she is in prison.
2. Her husband can hire a lawyer to defend her in court.
IT does nothing to show that she should have stolen but might act in mitigation.
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!
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Got it thank you for your reply.PNGMK wrote:Why not? It shows;
1. Her husband can hire an FDW to support the kids while she is in prison.
2. Her husband can hire a lawyer to defend her in court.
IT does nothing to show that she should have stolen but might act in mitigation.
Re: Shop theft for 3rd time
Thank you appreciate your reply. Just looking for advice herex9200 wrote:You mean 7 years from what is known as her official record.Selnur wrote:It could be so. But then again, i am not her. I pity her for doing so. She wasnt aware that she can apply for social help. She thought that was only for single mothers and those living in one room flats. 7 years apart from her 3rd mistake. Is that still considered a compulsive thief?sundaymorningstaple wrote:Personally, I don't think it was desperation, but more like stupidity or she has a psychological disorder that is causing her compulsion to steal.
She was so desperate, yet when caught she offered to settle. How? Stealing again, or there was still some other source of money? Similarly to what the other poster said, if she was really desperate, she would have found a job, just probably not a job of her dreams.
If you really want to help her, stop making for her lame excuses. Nobody, especially the court, is going to believe in them. You are contributing to her problems.
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Re: Shop theft for 3rd time
maybe get her a job? or help her look for a good job.Selnur wrote:
Oh dear, i dont know how else to help herPNGMK wrote:She may fail this;
Under the Merits Test, you must show that you have a good reason to bring or defend your case under the law
help her draft a resume, teach her where to find jobs (classified, jobstreets, jobdirectory etc etc)
a good job will help her a loooong way
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how is the case?
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