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Ignorance index

Postby x9200 » Fri, 16 Dec 2016 11:30 pm

... or perception gap index.

Something, I think, interesting but also very difficult to interpret without some better insight into the individual countries.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpubl ... wrong.aspx

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 17 Dec 2016 3:11 am

Thanks... interesting read. Good start into a study of cultural biases.

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Postby earthfriendly » Sat, 17 Dec 2016 9:24 am

I can see why for China and Singapore. Both countries are govt by dictators who use social engineering tools, censorship and propaganda for mind control.

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby x9200 » Sat, 17 Dec 2016 9:35 am

Every government uses such tools. The whole politics is just about it.
What is seen in the survey (it's worth to analyze the responses to the specific questions) is a convoluted image including the impact of:
- culture (good examples, the articles in the thread of the US president elect)
- religion (e.g. statistics lies, your priest knows better)
- education
- many other things

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby TMD » Sat, 17 Dec 2016 9:13 pm

earthfriendly wrote:I can see why for China and Singapore. Both countries are govt by dictators who use social engineering tools, censorship and propaganda for mind control.


You will be surprised...this Forum can serve as a litmus test on "expat" ignorance-level in Asia... :mrgreen:

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Postby ecureilx » Sat, 17 Dec 2016 9:38 pm

TMD wrote:
earthfriendly wrote:I can see why for China and Singapore. Both countries are govt by dictators who use social engineering tools, censorship and propaganda for mind control.


You will be surprised...this Forum can serve as a litmus test on "expat" ignorance-level in Asia... :mrgreen:

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby Strong Eagle » Sat, 17 Dec 2016 10:32 pm

TMD wrote:
earthfriendly wrote:I can see why for China and Singapore. Both countries are govt by dictators who use social engineering tools, censorship and propaganda for mind control.


You will be surprised...this Forum can serve as a litmus test on "expat" ignorance-level in Asia... :mrgreen:


Or level of understanding and insight. I find well traveled expats, open to other cultures to be far more insightful of what the world really looks like.

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:18 pm

Yes we are no 1!!! Finally
To get there early is on time and showing up on time is late

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby TMD » Sun, 18 Dec 2016 3:39 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
TMD wrote:
earthfriendly wrote:I can see why for China and Singapore. Both countries are govt by dictators who use social engineering tools, censorship and propaganda for mind control.


You will be surprised...this Forum can serve as a litmus test on "expat" ignorance-level in Asia... :mrgreen:


Or level of understanding and insight. I find well traveled expats, open to other cultures to be far more insightful of what the world really looks like.


That is why we shouldn't be judgemental simply based on some statistics or survey figures. It does not help in any conversation.

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby TMD » Sun, 18 Dec 2016 3:44 am

rajagainstthemachine wrote:Yes we are no 1!!! Finally


I find humor in this "Ignorance index" with the most populous democracy out ranking the largest communist state.

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby x9200 » Sun, 18 Dec 2016 8:51 am

TMD wrote:
rajagainstthemachine wrote:Yes we are no 1!!! Finally


I find humor in this "Ignorance index" with the most populous democracy out ranking the largest communist state.

Because it reflects things that may only be loosely linked with the political system. For example, non-Islamic countries that are near to the problems with the Islamic radical fundamentalism will likely score bad in any question related to the population of Muslims. This is fear based and the fear can be fueled by free media but also equally well by some governmental propaganda.

And I would not get overexcited with the word "ignorance". This is mostly for the marketing. The whole survey is about perception.

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 18 Dec 2016 3:23 pm

Perception is the roots of all negativity
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby TMD » Mon, 19 Dec 2016 4:12 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:Perception is the roots of all negativity


Arrogance leads to ignorance.
Ignorance leads to negative perception.
Negative perception leads to suspicion
Suspicion leads to fear.
Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hate leads to suffering, that is.

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby earthfriendly » Tue, 20 Dec 2016 1:33 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
TMD wrote:
earthfriendly wrote:I can see why for China and Singapore. Both countries are govt by dictators who use social engineering tools, censorship and propaganda for mind control.


You will be surprised...this Forum can serve as a litmus test on "expat" ignorance-level in Asia... :mrgreen:


Or level of understanding and insight. I find well traveled expats, open to other cultures to be far more insightful of what the world really looks like.



This is easily one of the most open-minded and worldly community that I found. Not only due to their exposure thru foreign cultures and travel but the mindsets of the people. We can all become stagnated by our immediate surroundings and social circles but what can set you apart is the willingness to look at events from a different set of lenses and others' POV.

I also visit sites frequent by Singaporeans living in the USA. Some have done the same and learn to appreciate that Americans just have a different cultural perpectives. While others are die-hard product of the Singapore Inc and Unrelenting System. Cocky know-it-all and the lack of humility just makes me dizzy. Their inflexibility! I am in US for almost 3 decades and still learning about the country, its people and its politics. Such a massive country with all its regional differences and nuances. There is so much to know and learn.

But what I know is this, I will never ever go back to mono-cultural living. Living and breathing and interpreting the world in only one way. My way or the highway. The oneness of it. The one-dimensional existence. It is very boring for me. So glad that I am exposed to and live in more than one country i.e. Singapore.

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Re: Ignorance index

Postby earthfriendly » Tue, 20 Dec 2016 1:55 am

Anyway, I read survey results with a grain of salt. It is just a single number / rank / score / label. And of course, most of us know a single number does not capture the complete and holistic story. It is "single". The singleness of it all. The human existence is so much more complex and nuanced that it cannot be explained in a single label. People who are hang up with being number 1 and ranking e.g. must get A+++++++++ school grade, just goes to show how narrow-minded they are. How reductive it is, when you reduce another human being into a letter grade. It is an inhumane way of looking at other human beings.

You affirm your own humanity by acting humanely towards other human beings and life forms. When you treat another human humanely, you become more humane yourself. It is all done to benefit the "self".

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." ~ Mark Twain


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