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Does "Singaporean applicants only" include SPR?

Post by PNGMK » Fri, 04 Nov 2016 10:43 am

I've seen a job open up in the EDB (a government department) that interests me; it says "Singaporean Applicants Only" - does that mean citizens only or does it include PR?

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Re: Does "Singaporean applicants only" include SPR?

Post by rajagainstthemachine » Fri, 04 Nov 2016 11:36 am

I don't know, can you just go ahead and apply and see what happens?
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Re: Does "Singaporean applicants only" include SPR?

Post by Strong Eagle » Fri, 04 Nov 2016 11:45 am

At one time I would have said, 'yes'... operating under the assumption that PR's had a lot of benefits normally reserved for citizens.

I don't think that's actually the case. I am sure you would never receive a letter saying, "sorry, you're not a citizen"... then again, you're not going to receive a letter saying, "Welcome on board", either.

I've sometimes questioned SMS's views about the racist nature of the government, and I am beginning to agree that Singapore isn't actually interested in a diverse, multi-national, multi-cultural population, they prefer the four existing "pillars" of society as more "safe" with less tendency to demand more political and press freedoms.

As PR, I made application into a government agency for an IT related project manager position. Got the standard automated responses... never heard a thing again.

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Re: Does "Singaporean applicants only" include SPR?

Post by PNGMK » Fri, 04 Nov 2016 12:16 pm

Raj - I'd prefer to know so I can judge why I am rejected. SE - I tend to agree - I think this is SC only.
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Re: Does "Singaporean applicants only" include SPR?

Post by Wd40 » Fri, 04 Nov 2016 1:31 pm

In this case since it is a govt org and high level position, I think it means SC only. But like Strong Eagle said, in Singapore there is no value for transparency. So they could get away with saying Singaporean only and don't need to clarify if it includes PRs and we will never know. I believe in Australia too certain govt projects based in Canberra you need to be a citizen or need to get some kind of clearance or something like that I remember vaguely. But atleast it is transparent. Racist or not racist, atleast you can be transparent. This is even worse.(Another of those Singapore hating post, by wd40) :)

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Re: Does "Singaporean applicants only" include SPR?

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 04 Nov 2016 4:34 pm

Unless the position was advertised as open to SC & PRs then it is SC only. This runs through all the ministries. I don't mean that jobs are only available to
SCs, but if a position is advertised as open to both it will denote SC & PR and not just SC. The government is not racist only when it pragmatic to do be not racist. Otherwise, SE is spot on about the 4 pillars. Unless of course they are looking for a Neurosurgeon or Rocket Scientist.

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Re: Does "Singaporean applicants only" include SPR?

Post by cittakaro » Mon, 07 Nov 2016 10:02 am

I think that is for Citizen only, and it's not racist. Government just want to protects their people and also data off course. I've been working closely with one of Ministry HR and I know that they will not hire non citizen only if its really really urgent. But from I know that they will still consider PR in statutory board, but not in ministry. So actually you can try, nothing to lose.

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Post by PNGMK » Mon, 07 Nov 2016 10:20 am

cittakaro wrote:I think that is for Citizen only, and it's not racist. Government just want to protects their people and also data off course. I've been working closely with one of Ministry HR and I know that they will not hire non citizen only if its really really urgent. But from I know that they will still consider PR in statutory board, but not in ministry. So actually you can try, nothing to lose.
That's a helpful response. Thanks.

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Re: Does "Singaporean applicants only" include SPR?

Post by rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 07 Nov 2016 11:16 am

I know that certain places like DSO for eg employs only SC, PR cannot..which is understandable considering its defence. The ONG sector however is commerce, I think the selection criteria will be in favor of SC applicants first, there could be a slim change they could consider PR's if no SC candidate is suitable.
In many job postings i've seen this ambiguity and that can be twisted to interpreted in either way.
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Re: RE: Re: Does "Singaporean applicants only" include SPR?

Post by ecureilx » Mon, 07 Nov 2016 11:53 am

rajagainstthemachine wrote:I know that certain places like DSO for eg employs only SC, PR cannot..which is understandable considering its defence. The ONG sector however is commerce, I think the selection criteria will be in favor of SC applicants first, there could be a slim change they could consider PR's if no SC candidate is suitable.
In many job postings i've seen this ambiguity and that can be twisted to interpreted in either way.
Add ST group also as very SC only - understandably...

I think there's an MOM rule, you can advertise as SC only, or all are welcome but not allowed to advertise like SC and PR welcome. Or something like that ... it's a grey area few dare to tread since the natives have been getting their wish of separating PRs from SCs, the former to be treated second class, including those PRs who have serious roots in Singapore...

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