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PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby jljj0898 » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 6:38 pm

hi all,

would like to know my chances of getting PR with the below details:

Age : 22
Sex : M
Marital Status : Single
Nationality : Malaysian
Job: Sales Executive based on my EP, own 5% of company share
Salary: 2300 +/-
Pass : EP
Highest Qualification attained : Diploma in Design (Malaysia)
Date of application : May 2016
Current status: Pending
Period of staying in SG: 2 years

Thanks in advance!
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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 8:48 pm

I'm assuming the "based on my EP" is a misnomer as you cannot be on an EP if your salary is only 2300 +/-. The best you could do would be an S pass unless your company is lying to the MOM and reporting your basic salary as more than $3300/mo (will be $3600/mo w.e.f. 1 Jan 17) You would have to be on the end of your S pass (2 years) at best at $2300/mo as the minimum was $2000/mo (currently it is $2200 but almost impossible to get a renewal at that rate ($2400 is about the minimum for renewal). So, before we can go any further with your prognosis, please clear up this item to help us understand it a little better.

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby jljj0898 » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 10:18 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I'm assuming the "based on my EP" is a misnomer as you cannot be on an EP if your salary is only 2300 +/-. The best you could do would be an S pass unless your company is lying to the MOM and reporting your basic salary as more than $3300/mo (will be $3600/mo w.e.f. 1 Jan 17) You would have to be on the end of your S pass (2 years) at best at $2300/mo as the minimum was $2000/mo (currently it is $2200 but almost impossible to get a renewal at that rate ($2400 is about the minimum for renewal). So, before we can go any further with your prognosis, please clear up this item to help us understand it a little better.


Hi Sunday, I don't know about this but I get EP since the first job I got in SG. All friends around me all taking EP as well.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 10:36 pm

What exactly does it say on your Employment Visa Card? That's the easiest way to know. Take it out of your wallet and read it. It will tell you if it's a Work Permit, S Pass or an Employment Pass. How can you NOT know what kind of permit you are on? You have to carry your employment pass with you all the time just like we have to carry an NRIC (Blue or Pink).

Something smells fishy in Denmark on this one.

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby jljj0898 » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 10:48 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:What exactly does it say on your Employment Visa Card? That's the easiest way to know. Take it out of your wallet and read it. It will tell you if it's a Work Permit, S Pass or an Employment Pass. How can you NOT know what kind of permit you are on? You have to carry your employment pass with you all the time just like we have to carry an NRIC (Blue or Pink).

Something smells fishy in Denmark on this one.


Hi Sunday. It's stated employment pass on my permit. I think for Malaysian u can actually get EP easier if u graduated from reputable college.

I actually found an article about this thing. Ref link below

http://theindependent.sg/fourth-generation-singaporean-lost-his-150000-salary-job-to-his-foreign-subordinate/

Quote from article above
Some people are not aware that Malaysians are treated differently from other nationalities. Their qualifying salary to obtain EP is S$2,200 as opposed to S$3,300 for other nationalities.


I think I have done clarify myself about this. Now should we back to topic?

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 12:54 am

I do not believe the article is correct. There is no reference on MoM website regarding Malaysians having a lower salary for EP.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 6:54 am

The article he's quoting from is a known sight for made up information just to slam the government and is operated from offshore. Transiting Singapore.Org. The letters are all made up by the owners of the forum and given nicks from made up people. In fact, the guy who owns it, I believe is afraid to return to Singapore due to the lies he's been printing. Considering the number of Malaysians on my work force I have to call a foul on this one as well, so, now OP, can we get back to the question I have raised as I frankly, don't believe you. I'm thinking you are part of a kickback scam being conducted with your full knowledge. After all, you are a part owner of the company.

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby x9200 » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 7:32 am

So OP, to answer your question, if it is what we think it is, not only IMHO you are not going to get any PR but you can find yourself in a bit deeper excrements. Especially, if ICA will have similar view to what SMS mentioned above.

Now what is also interesting, is your company sponsoring your application?

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby jljj0898 » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 10:13 am

Strong Eagle wrote:I do not believe the article is correct. There is no reference on MoM website regarding Malaysians having a lower salary for EP.


Hi Strongeagle,neither do i but this is what i heard from my HR. You can actually do a quick test at MOM self assessment

https://services.mom.gov.sg/sat/

Try input the same information but different nationality you will find out the answer

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My friend, an EP holder(Malaysian) with same salary in different company apply his PR this year on March just got his PR approval last week. So, I'm here to ask for my chances not to seek more doubt.

tqvm

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby jljj0898 » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 10:28 am

x9200 wrote:So OP, to answer your question, if it is what we think it is, not only IMHO you are not going to get any PR but you can find yourself in a bit deeper excrements. Especially, if ICA will have similar view to what SMS mentioned above.

Now what is also interesting, is your company sponsoring your application?


I got my company shares through 3 months achieving 60k sales target. Actually this doesn't benefit me because if my company made any loss or didn't not earn much on that month to cover our company expenses. I'm lost too.

Yes my company is sponsoring for my application is this is the only way I can apply my PR through PTS scheme. Please enlighten me if there is any way I can apply for PR without company sponsoring. Im single, 22. So no way I can get from marriage scheme or aged parents scheme. I hope I have that much money for the investor scheme too

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby x9200 » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 10:57 am

I don't know man, but I just checked SAT for a Malaysian with your salary, age, diploma, job etc etc. and got this:

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Based on the information you have provided, the individual is likely to qualify for an S Pass only.

Ultimately, it is your problem and we point to some potential problems not to make you feel bad, but as they may be a possible factor influencing your application.

What race are you? The race is very important in the PR approval. Based on your original post, unless you are Malaysian-Chinese, IMHO, you stand practically no chance of approval.

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby jljj0898 » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:21 am

x9200 wrote:I don't know man, but I just checked SAT for a Malaysian with your salary, age, diploma, job etc etc. and got this:

Result
Based on the information you have provided, the individual is likely to qualify for an S Pass only.

Ultimately, it is your problem and we point to some potential problems not to make you feel bad, but as they may be a possible factor influencing your application.

What race are you? The race is very important in the PR approval. Based on your original post, unless you are Malaysian-Chinese, IMHO, you stand practically no chance of approval.


This is what i filled and what i get;

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There is no point for me to lie about my permit by providing fake information as i dont see this benefit me. Yes i'm Malaysian-Chinese but buddhist is not my religion. My parents converted into Muslim year back then and I thought I'm Malay after that. But I've checked this with ICA and they said i'm Malaysian-Chinese.

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby jljj0898 » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:32 am

TBH I'm here just to seek for advises as my friend just got his approval last week which made me a little jealous :oops: He have the same profile with me but of course he is older & stay 2 years longer than me in SG.

I guess there is nothing you or me can do about the application as I already submitted mine on May. Just keep my finger crossed and wait for the result :D

No point for me to lie about my permit or information as this is what I submit for my application and accepted by the officer.

Good day and this thread should be closed :)

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby x9200 » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:47 am

I don't think you are lying, it's just that if a national preference exists in granting EP vs s-Pass over the minimum salary requirements, it is something new for us and also contradicting what MoM publishes on the web page:
http://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permit ... ligibility

If you are Malaysian-Chinese, I believe we've seen on this board people with your profile having the PR granted, so indeed, finger crossed.

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Re: PR Chances for Malaysian

Postby jljj0898 » Thu, 08 Sep 2016 12:02 pm

x9200 wrote:I don't think you are lying, it's just that if a national preference exists in granting EP vs s-Pass over the minimum salary requirements, it is something new for us and also contradicting what MoM publishes on the web page:
http://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permit ... ligibility

If you are Malaysian-Chinese, I believe we've seen on this board people with your profile having the PR granted, so indeed, finger crossed.


I have the same thought when I got my first job in SG. I thought i will get S pass but end up i got an EP. My ex colleagues, a PRC girl cant get EP even her salary is $3.5k p/m. Guess the article is true about this part. They have their own standard for the pass based on nationality.


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