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Post by ecureilx » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 9:07 am

GSM8 wrote:Person B has now been indulging in unsavory language and implied intimidation in response to recent reminders, so that might be a basis to approach police. Will pass on the info to A and post on progress.
Unsavory language is ALSO a civil case. Including threats to beat up.

Cops should (from experience) advice the victim to seek a magistrate's order ;)

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Post by PNGMK » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 1:55 pm

Hire a lawyer aka Solicitor to write a letter of demand for payment and a cease and desist for the other actions. The money will be well spent.
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Post by PNGMK » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 1:59 pm

FYI idiots like this usually shit their pants with a strongly worded letter hinting at defamation and civil law suits when delivered by a process server.
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Post by x9200 » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 3:48 pm

ecureilx wrote:Unsavory language is ALSO a civil case. Including threats to beat up.
Nope.
Criminal intimidation
Penal Code (CHAPTER 224) 503. Whoever threatens another with any injury to his person, reputation or property, or to the person or reputation of any one in whom that person is interested, with intent to cause alarm to that person, or to cause that person to do any act which he is not legally bound to do, or to omit to do any act which that person is legally entitled to do, as the means of avoiding the execution of such threat, commits criminal intimidation.

Not sure how in Singapore it is handled and evaluated but in the legal systems I know a bit better the deciding part is whether the threat appears real to the person threatened. In other words, if I say, I am going to kill you (say we are peacefully drinking some beer), it's not criminal, but under circumstances where you had good reason to believe I really inted to do it, this would be criminal.

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Post by ecureilx » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 6:14 pm

x9200 wrote: Not sure how in Singapore it is handled and evaluated but in the legal systems I know a bit better the deciding part is whether the threat appears real to the person threatened. In other words, if I say, I am going to kill you (say we are peacefully drinking some beer), it's not criminal, but under circumstances where you had good reason to believe I really inted to do it, this would be criminal.
In Singapore, if you tell me you will kill me, and I go to the nearest NPP or police post, the advice will be as I said. Unless there was physical injury, it will be statement taken and adviced to get a magistrate order.

Done accompanying enough friends. Including once when the guy threatening called when we were sitting in Orchard / Killiney Police post. In speaker mode, the cop heard it all and still didn't offer to go and pick up the guy or anything like that.

I guess if cops go after every threat, the cops will be super busy. I guess based on statistics they know nothing bad will happen

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Re: Lent money and borrower not returning

Post by x9200 » Wed, 07 Sep 2016 9:21 pm

This could be, but it doesn't make such threats a civil case.

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Re: Lent money and borrower not returning

Post by GSM8 » Wed, 08 Feb 2017 3:07 pm

With reference to my original post and borrower who refused return, looks like the man is in the news for more similar reasons =D>
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/a ... a-fine-art

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Re: Lent money and borrower not returning

Post by kimpak » Wed, 15 Feb 2017 1:49 pm

If there is sufficient acknowledgement by B that he has taken that money as a loan (e.g. chats, Whatsapp, SMSes, emails etc), then perhaps in the worst case scenario, social media really helps. But this will have to be the last resort because there is a possibility if it goes viral, B will never return A a cent thereafter.

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Post by PNGMK » Sat, 25 Aug 2018 8:49 pm

kimpak wrote:If there is sufficient acknowledgement by B that he has taken that money as a loan (e.g. chats, Whatsapp, SMSes, emails etc), then perhaps in the worst case scenario, social media really helps. But this will have to be the last resort because there is a possibility if it goes viral, B will never return A a cent thereafter.
I never got my money back. Bernie Monneron owes me money is still the top google result for his name. He can pay me back anytime but choses not to.
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Post by PNGMK » Sat, 28 Nov 2020 7:25 am

Any luck GSM8? Bernie Monneron still hasn't paid me back but I wrote off the debt.
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Post by abbby » Sat, 28 Nov 2020 10:37 am

Ya..any luck on getting your money back GSM8?

Lending money is always a tough choice, cos most of the time, people do not return it.
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Re: Lent money and borrower not returning

Post by GSM8 » Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:50 am

GSM8 wrote:
Wed, 08 Feb 2017 3:07 pm
With reference to my original post and borrower who refused return, looks like the man is in the news for more similar reasons =D>
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/a ... a-fine-art
Well. It wasn't my money. The original post was for an acquaintance I was concerned for. Last I heard the debtor (who seemed to owe larger amounts to several other people) fled Singapore and currently has an arrest warrant out for him here.

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Re: Lent money and borrower not returning

Post by PNGMK » Sun, 29 Nov 2020 1:03 pm

Ouch. Lots of conmen in Singapore still. My upstairs neighbor (in his 70s) tells me stories about conning people in the 80s. He can't let his name into the public domain lest he find the O$P$ people on his doorstep (the condo is in his wife's and daughter's name).
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