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Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby Kardin25 » Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:13 pm

Question: Should you disclose your Last Drawn Salary to either A) Potential Employer or B) Recruitment Agencies, and why?

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:36 pm

Kardin25 wrote:Question: Should you disclose your Last Drawn Salary to either A) Potential Employer or B) Recruitment Agencies, and why?

Thanks!

If you don't declare, quite a few employers here will throw you application away.

Though so far, few employers in Singapore, especially small ones, start negotiating current pay + x% as offer. Most decent employers just take your current pay slip and file it away.. just to tick some box ?

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Postby Kardin25 » Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:50 pm

ecureilx wrote:
Kardin25 wrote:Question: Should you disclose your Last Drawn Salary to either A) Potential Employer or B) Recruitment Agencies, and why?

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If you don't declare, quite a few employers here will throw you application away.

Though so far, few employers in Singapore, especially small ones, start negotiating current pay + x% as offer. Most decent employers just take your current pay slip and file it away.. just to tick some box ?


I think most of the employers are still doing this tho. "Though so far, few employers in Singapore, especially small ones, start negotiating current pay + x% as offer." Not just few.

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby Strong Eagle » Wed, 17 Aug 2016 11:40 pm

I wouldn't supply it. Instead say, "If initial interview indicates mutual interest we can discuss my work history in more detail."

There is absolutely no upside to you providing last pay. If it's much lower than what they have budgeted for the position you screw yourself by leaving too much on the table. If it's too high, you cut yourself off before demonstrating your worth.

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby Wd40 » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:47 am

I think most employers ask your previous salary as an input. If you refuse to provide it, I think it wouldn't be a big deal, but I have noticed most agencies atleast start off the process by asking your expected salary. So if you don't even provide your expected salary in the beginning, I would imagine you won't go far.

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 1:58 am

"Expected salary" is another worthless ruse foisted upon job candidates by shitty employment agencies and firms. It's a double whammy on you. Answer too low and you may get hired, screwing yourself in the process because you again left too much on the table. Or, you don't get interviewed because the brain dead recruiters automatically toss you out because the experience level of the job requires that someone be earning more to qualify.

Or, if you give a number too large, you don't get the interview... once again the brain dead recruiters who don't actually know shit about the position use a virtually useless metric to cut you out of an opportunity.

Once gain, "If initial interview indicates mutual interest we can discuss my salary expectations in more detail" is the right answer. If they push, tell them you don't know enough about the job yet to tell them how much you are worth. If they push some more, tell them to ferk off.

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby x9200 » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 7:16 am

I only fear that shitty employments agency and companies probably constitute some 80% of the job market and people still need to get a job.

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby martincymru » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 8:48 am

I just say "Pay me what you think aligned to the market rate". I do not provide pay slip.
I am a senior Contracts Mgr and we all know, in the cattle market +/- 15%, what the market rate is.

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby mortlock2005 » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:59 am

We just interviewed a terrific candidate, that has accepted our job offer, and her response to salary expectations was "What do you think I'm worth?" This kind of answer won't work for everyone, but we were already incredibly impressed, so worked out what we were happy to offer.

As an HR person, I really need to know either current salary or salary expectations. There is absolutely no point in getting way down the selection process, just to find out that what we can offer is thousands below what a candidate will accept. Also, some candidates write great resumes, but their current salary gives a far more realistic impression of their actual experience. I recently interviewed a guy whose current salary was $2k below our low end of the salary range. His resume was good, but he was woefully inexperienced for the role, and his salary certainly reflected that.

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Re: RE: Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:18 am

Wd40 wrote:I think most employers ask your previous salary as an input. If you refuse to provide it, I think it wouldn't be a big deal, but I have noticed most agencies atleast start off the process by asking your expected salary. So if you don't even provide your expected salary in the beginning, I would imagine you won't go far.

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But two of the big companies I worked for, directly, insisted I provide the pay slip AFTER I came on board.

And the last pay and current pay was vastly different.

Some HR folks need that filed somewhere for what purposes - I have no idea.

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:24 am

mortlock2005 wrote:As an HR person, I really need to know either current salary or salary expectations.


No you don't. That's bullshit. Your first and foremost task is to find a qualified person. If you can't take the time to interview candidates and qualify them with respect to fit, skills, and experience BEFORE you need to know the salary details, then you really do qualify as one more swimmer in the turd bucket into which so many recruiters fall.

Why aren't you seeking the qualified candidate first? You may have to let that person go because of salary issues, but again, why aren't you seeking the most qualified candidate first?

This is why most managers in any company hate HR with a passion... they think they need to know things that have jack shit with the person's ability to do the job... and seemingly have no clue as to how to identify essential skills. Instead it seems to be, "How much you make?"

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby mortlock2005 » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:39 am

Perhaps I haven't explained myself clearly, but when I screen candidates, I conduct a phone interview and go over their background, and I can find fabulous, well qualified candidates. At this point, it helps to get a rough idea of their salary expectations. If my budget for a role is max $5k per month, it makes no sense to bring someone in for interviews who won't accept less than $7k per month. They might be the best qualified person for the job, and I would LOVE to hire them, but if we can't afford them, it's pointless going through to full interviews.

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby mortlock2005 » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:41 am

Oh, and I don't ask salary as part of the application process. I only discuss it with candidates in phone interviews when I think they are qualified for the job. My managers always want to know what a candidate is asking, as they also have to work within their budgets.

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Re: RE: Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:03 pm

mortlock2005 wrote:Oh, and I don't ask salary as part of the application process. I only discuss it with candidates in phone interviews when I think they are qualified for the job. My managers always want to know what a candidate is asking, as they also have to work within their budgets.

Collecting data ? ;)

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Re: Last Drawn Salary Debate. Yes or No.

Postby mortlock2005 » Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:07 pm

No idea what you mean ecureilx. I work for a very small company, and I don't waste my time advertising positions just to collect data.


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