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Re: Ex-SPR, LOC?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 05 Aug 2016 11:59 pm

His childhood sweetheart has absolutely nothing to do with it. And yes, the ltvp for the foreign spouse would be the 'normal' route when married to a Singaporean anchor.

However.

Said foreign spouse renounced his PR (or should I say his parents did it for him) in order to specifically avoid NS (otherwise why would they renounce his and not their own? Doesn't make a lot of sense and one would have to be a 'kin idiot not to see why it was done. It will be plainly obvious to ICA and that will be all she wrote.

No, I think his parents have screwed him royally. His is a classic case that I've been warning people of for 12 years on the board. But, people see to always think they are smarter or they are never coming back. Such is life, more than one son hates his parents for screwing up their lives without their input.

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Re: Ex-SPR, LOC?

Postby BBCWatcher » Sat, 06 Aug 2016 8:15 am

I agree with SMS. Assuming he is allowed entry into Singapore, he is then technically eligible for a LTVP provided he is living with his Singaporean spouse who is also resident in Singapore. (It's derivative stay permission.) LTVPs (and LTVP renewals) are discretionary. All LTVP holders married to Singaporeans or PRs are technically eligible for Letters of Consent. LoCs are also discretionary.

Whether he is actually granted a LTVP is up to Singapore's Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA), frequently with input from ICA's sister agencies. Whether he (his prospective employer, actually) is granted a LoC is up to the Ministry of Manpower, frequently with input from MoM's sister agencies. Yes, National Service (lack thereof) will undoubtedly be taken into account.

It's "water under the bridge" now, but, for the record, he and his then fiancée had the option to apply for a Pre-Marriage LTVP Assessment (PMLA). That would have given them some guidance on whether he would be likely to receive a LTVP. Once they married that option is no longer available.

I also agree with SMS that he should not plan on being granted a LTVP. At one point recently the government announced that at least 80% of spousal LTVP applications are being approved. But that leaves nearly 20% that are not. It's quite likely he'll be in the latter category. However, yes, assuming ICA admits him for a visit, he can apply for a LTVP and see what happens.

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Re: Ex-SPR, LOC?

Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 06 Aug 2016 8:34 am

interesting discussion. My 2 cents, yes can be done
Technically no but from memory it has been done, I think work visa way.
I think Saints was in the same situation
Just cannot find the notes I stashed in my garage to support this
Anyway no harm in trying
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Re: Ex-SPR, LOC?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 06 Aug 2016 12:55 pm

MS, Saint, was and had been married in the UK and worked for a world wide shipping insurance company. He had never been a "PR" in Singapore so didn't renounce to avoid NS (which our poster's nephew specifically did - I think this will be the 'straw' that did the camel in). He applied for PR and was given the IPA while still in the UK and he only had to come here to finalize it.

Gaining the LTVP shouldn't be a problem normally except for this little shafting of MinDef. Now, if the guy is a neurosurgeon or a rocket scientist, I'd say they'd still find a way as they always leave themselves a bolt hole if it is somebody that they, as a government, would like to have. At the end of the day, I agree with you that there is no harm in trying but be prepared for the worst. (Having a male son might help - or hurt considering the person in question was a male son who evaded NS even though his parents are still PRs).

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Re: Ex-SPR, LOC?

Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 06 Aug 2016 5:12 pm

Ok I am wrong about Saints route then. Apologies.

OP;
Technically yes but he is a 2nd Gen PR he supposed to serve NS and he scooted to greener pastures which means he can be denied LTVP and Loc
Back in my days, my brother whom is a policeman married to his foreign wife only manages to gain PR after 8 years living in SG. They had 4 boys !!
It depends alot on where the foreign spouse nationality, education and any previous dealings with SG gahmen which can be a problem for future application
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Re: Ex-SPR, LOC?

Postby Kiyosumi » Mon, 08 Aug 2016 4:05 pm

Thank you everyone for your input.

It sure seems like my nephew's case is few and far between and is interesting indeed.

I shall wait for further information from his side to see if there are any updates on his application.

Will post updates so that others can use this as reference in case they are in a similar situation.

Cheers!


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