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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby soni2863 » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 2:57 pm

But there is no timeline issued by MOM for the ep processing. Its all guessing game how long it will take for ep approval. It is quite strange that on mom, they have stated 7 days to 5 weeks whereas its not guaranteed that it will be approved in 5 weeks.

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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 3:23 pm

spartan84 wrote:Probably MNCs don't have this issue.


Not true !!!

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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby vizith » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 3:24 pm

NCs handles most of Singapore govt based projects ,may be that's why processing is so fast ..

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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby vizith » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 3:28 pm

Just adding a bit , Ncs also got very good record with tefpS for proper resource mngmng

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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 4:25 pm

Jesus H. Christ. Don't you people ever read posts? You deserve to not be renewed! I just told you the reason and the facts of the case as put out to all employers. The posts I'm reading here......you don't deserve to be renewed. ](*,)

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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby soni2863 » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 4:44 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Jesus H. Christ. Don't you people ever read posts? You deserve to not be renewed! I just told you the reason and the facts of the case as put out to all employers. The posts I'm reading here......you don't deserve to be renewed. ](*,)


well people here are discussing what they know and what they are hearing from their friends and prospective employers. I am pretty sure you also wont be knowing what is the exact time mom is taking for processing an ep application. Though you are claiming to know all internals.

Its good to add to a disucssion and give positive inputs rather than be a self proclaimed intellectual.

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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby vizith » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 5:10 pm

Hi All,

Just to mention, its about new EP application not about EP Renewal and we are just trying to share our thoughts to get some confidence or inputs from experts,

Best Regards,
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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby jamie9vardy » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 5:19 pm

If you've been here long enough and combed through the posts, you'll know that one poster here handle lots of passes.

I doubt SMS claimed to know all internals and what's on MOM and ICA minds. Rather, his input are based on experience and anecdotes.


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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby Barnsley » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 5:59 pm

jamie9vardy wrote:If you've been here long enough and combed through the posts, you'll know that one poster here handle lots of passes.

I doubt SMS claimed to know all internals and what's on MOM and ICA minds. Rather, his input are based on experience and anecdotes.


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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby jamie9vardy » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 6:09 pm

It's up to Woy the gaffer. We will know the team sheet in under 2 hours... Lol


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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 8:24 pm

vizith wrote:Hi All,

Just to mention, its about new EP application not about EP Renewal and we are just trying to share our thoughts to get some confidence or inputs from experts,

Best Regards,
Vizith


Just to mention, in the past document vetting was carried out as a background function and people were issued passes to start work in anywhere from 2 days to 2 weeks. However, due to people from certain S.E.Asian countries submitting fraudlent docs (some will do anything to get to Singapore - not quite sure why). (I lost 2 about 3 years ago 6 months after they had started working for me. I got visited by an MOM field team (3 man teams usually) at me office and they wanted to see those employees asap. We told them that they worked in the field and may or may not return to the office from their last job. We were told to call them and have the return to the office that evening without telling them anything else. What to do? When they returned, they were escorted to the MOM vehicle and taken to the remand centre and the MD and myself had to go down there the next morning bright and early and again 2 other days. The were subsequently deported after spending a week in lockup. This isn't inner workings of MOM or ICA, this is 1st had knowledge. I've also had people who took several months to get there passes from the reasons I gave you the first time. They will fully vet your background & qualifications / certifications before issuing said permits now. Some are easy. Others not so easy. The knowledge is known by all employers in Singapore that they should advise the job seeker that it could take that long. I'm not sure why I'm spending this amount of time typing this, because it is obviously falling on deaf ears and dulled senses.
Good Luck. We are only trying to give the truth as we see it with the huge amount of data we collect here. Obviously we don't know the inner working but we do see trends and some like myself, have closer contacts with the ministries as well (70% of my contracts are government contracts). We are also straight shooters and will NOT blow smoke up your arse just to make you feel good. That's not what we do. Our answers are based on the realities of the recents currents/trends that we are seeing.

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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby soni2863 » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:02 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
vizith wrote:Hi All,

Just to mention, its about new EP application not about EP Renewal and we are just trying to share our thoughts to get some confidence or inputs from experts,

Best Regards,
Vizith


Just to mention, in the past document vetting was carried out as a background function and people were issued passes to start work in anywhere from 2 days to 2 weeks. However, due to people from certain S.E.Asian countries submitting fraudlent docs (some will do anything to get to Singapore - not quite sure why). (I lost 2 about 3 years ago 6 months after they had started working for me. I got visited by an MOM field team (3 man teams usually) at me office and they wanted to see those employees asap. We told them that they worked in the field and may or may not return to the office from their last job. We were told to call them and have the return to the office that evening without telling them anything else. What to do? When they returned, they were escorted to the MOM vehicle and taken to the remand centre and the MD and myself had to go down there the next morning bright and early and again 2 other days. The were subsequently deported after spending a week in lockup. This isn't inner workings of MOM or ICA, this is 1st had knowledge. I've also had people who took several months to get there passes from the reasons I gave you the first time. They will fully vet your background & qualifications / certifications before issuing said permits now. Some are easy. Others not so easy. The knowledge is known by all employers in Singapore that they should advise the job seeker that it could take that long. I'm not sure why I'm spending this amount of time typing this, because it is obviously falling on deaf ears and dulled senses.
Good Luck. We are only trying to give the truth as we see it with the huge amount of data we collect here. Obviously we don't know the inner working but we do see trends and some like myself, have closer contacts with the ministries as well (70% of my contracts are government contracts). We are also straight shooters and will NOT blow smoke up your arse just to make you feel good. That's not what we do. Our answers are based on the realities of the recents currents/trends that we are seeing.


We appreciate your effort to portray the clear picture. Everybody here is worried about his/her outcome for the EP application. But as you described that the docs are forged or false, what if a person has already got ep approved multiple times before and this time its an ep application for a new employer which in this case is not a renewal.
What I hear from my new employer is that they have not got any information on how long it will take and they were kind of sure that it should be fast. They have the ep quota and and they claim to maintain the required foreigner/local ratio as well (quoting what they told)..
Its one month already and the application is still pending :(

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Re: RE: Re: EP Processing Time

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:33 pm

soni2863 wrote:We appreciate your effort to portray the clear picture. Everybody here is worried about his/her outcome for the EP application. But as you described that the docs are forged or false, what if a person has already got ep approved multiple times before and this time its an ep application for a new employer which in this case is not a renewal.
What I hear from my new employer is that they have not got any information on how long it will take and they were kind of sure that it should be fast. They have the ep quota and and they claim to maintain the required foreigner/local ratio as well (quoting what they told)..
Its one month already and the application is still pending :(


Renewals and change of employer alike are being vetted thoroughly ...

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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:36 pm

For the record, there is no EP quota. Obviously if it looks like an employer is making a meal of EP holders, it will raise eyebrows at MOM. But the only Quota (published at any rate - anything else is something made up to justify somebody's rejection. You would be surprised at some of the reasons give for rejections (not my MOM - they don't/won't tell as it then doesn't allow getting tailor made applications (as has been attempted so many time in the past) Even the silly buggers here keep asking what somebody else's profile looks like as if it's going to help them. We obviously know some of the criteria but not all and we also see corrolations that may well not be visually obvious to the asker. But it comes with 20 years in the HR business here and 12 years on this board. So anytime somebody tell you he was rejected for an EP due to quota, don't waste your time talking to them cause they don't have a clue. Even the rejection letter itself will not reveal the exact reason for rejection.

Please remember that since the 2011 GE here, where the PAP got a bloody nose but still remained in power, things have tightened up considerably. 10s of thousands of foreigners were let in without too much vetting at all - was more like mass migrations. That is why they are tightening up and why renewals are getting rejected for various reasons that had been renewed before already. Criteria has changed. Contrary to what is on the MOM website (the Self assessment tool) you have to be very careful of your interpretation of the English used. The English usage there is exactly correct. The Self assessment tool only tells you if you are eligible to file an application that will be accepted for "consideration" for the relevant pass. You would probably be surprised that fully 99% of the people from S.E. Asia who read that believe that mean they are eligible for the EP. Not True. It only means MOM will look at it and not reject it out of hand. In additions to the basic academic qualifications and theoretical claimed experience, it asks for nothing else, and there is a heck of a lot more than just those items on the application form.The same goes for new applicants as it does for renewals. Renewals before were not vetted at all and considering, prior to 5 years ago, if you were breathing you could get an EP. Not so today.

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Re: EP Processing Time

Postby vizith » Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:39 pm

Thanks a lot for detailed reply SMS, btw guys my consultancy folks called up and said this morning that they had a call with mom and from May 2016 onwards minimum time for approval is 14 working days .., I am not sure how true this info is, but just thought of updating you guys.


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