as i said, you're free to dismiss my stories. they will bite (and actually ARE biting) your butt through your high chair.x9200 wrote: Leaving aside the half-truths your message is full of, what is really striking is how deeply you are impregnated with the communistic mentality. Unconditional wealth distribution regardless effort and work quality (except for the top party members, here the equity ends). With your alleged or suggested EE experience, are you really that blind to miss this elephant, that such unconditional wealth equity was what the EE already experienced? This was exactly the wealth distribution you are dreaming of. Hopefully will never happen again. I am old enough to remember it first hand, how old are you? I also wander what makes you feel entitled to the wealth some other people worked hard to achieve?
Edited to add some comments on your examples given to BBW. Ms Papastratos is free to move any place within EU she wants but to get a job to pay for her living, as anywhere else in the world she needs some skills. If Ms P is good in teaching perhaps she can also learn German? There is huge demand for teachers in Germany.
The point is that over the years, through official and unofficial rulings and practices, there is a legal framework in place that defines, for better or for worse, responsibilities and benefits.JR8 wrote:'What are the Remainers promising post Referendum in this campaign? An economic Nirvana?'
I don't know about you and the circle you are talking about, but most EE I know are paid similar as people of other nations in the same work place. Or you again follow the commie dream that regardless the place you live in, costs of living etc etc, everybody should be paid the same?calugaruvaxile wrote:as i said, you're free to dismiss my stories. they will bite (and actually ARE biting) your butt through your high chair.
you're talking about effort and work quality? this is how people are paid these days, you think? what are you telling me next? that the best product in the market is the one priced the highest, and also the most popular? and i'm disconsidering you???? you're doing this to yourself.
i love the part with "what makes you feel entitled to the wealth some other people worked hard to achieve". what are you talking about? why eastern europeans want to be paid as much as the western europeans? or was the questions about the arab migrants who receive money for nothing? so the eastern european workers are lazy, stupid and unproductive, therefore they should be paid less. but arab migrants are contributing a lot to the west's wealth (even if they don't work) and they should have everything they want? is this your idea of EU? and you're wondering why you get a thicker and thicker line spawning where the iron courtain was!!
There's a little information. For example, "Leave" campaigners say they favor an Australian-style points-based system for immigration. There's a simple reply to that idea. There's nothing stopping the United Kingdom from implementing its own points-based system for non-EU migrants now, right away. So if it's such a good idea (not really, but let's assume it is for sake of argument), why hasn't it been done and tried already for the over half of (legal) immigration that the United Kingdom fully controls? That certainly seems like a general election idea (and for the UKIP particularly) and/or intra-Tory squabble, not a referendum idea.Strong Eagle wrote:I've not seen much in the way of answers to these questions.
Many of these points are addressed or speculated about in the article I pasted the link earlier:Strong Eagle wrote:The point is that over the years, through official and unofficial rulings and practices, there is a legal framework in place that defines, for better or for worse, responsibilities and benefits.JR8 wrote:'What are the Remainers promising post Referendum in this campaign? An economic Nirvana?'
The whole point of the image is to ask, "OK, you want to pull out. Right now, there are XX thousand British citizens living in EU. What are the plans for repatriation if the EU requires them to leave? Will there be financial assistance?
And what about the XX thousand EU citizens in the UK? Do they get to stay as if nothing has changed? Are they grandfathered in?
I've not seen much in the way of answers to these questions.
It really would be useful to understand the consequences of the vote BEFORE it is taken rather than neogtiating new (and potentially unpleasant) outcomes after the fact, don't you think?x9200 wrote:Obviously many things would need to be negotiated with new or modified legal framework established. This is not like it is going to happen overnight.
Of course, fully agree, but then not everything can be set before the decision is made and many things will depend on what is going to happen at the negotiation table. The other members of EU sort of pretend at this moment the Brexit is not going to happen so I believe any solid base for such negotiation and building the said legal framework may happen after the staus quo changes.Strong Eagle wrote:It really would be useful to understand the consequences of the vote BEFORE it is taken rather than neogtiating new (and potentially unpleasant) outcomes after the fact, don't you think?x9200 wrote:Obviously many things would need to be negotiated with new or modified legal framework established. This is not like it is going to happen overnight.
I see it more like "we don't want to be that politically dependant and forced to pay for something we don't like to pay for". I don't really see they say it will be all good, just it will not be a disaster. The "stayers" are somehow more apocalyptic in their forecasts than "the leavers" in their hurray optimism . My impression at least.Strong Eagle wrote: Trust us... leaving is good... we'll take care of the details in the negotiations... is that the message?
Well there'd definitely be a new PM, but not necessarily an election as they'd first have to either repeal or suspend the fixed term parliaments act, it would be interesting to see if the opposition thought it worthwhile doing that or letting a divided Conservative government try and limp on in the hope they tear themselves apart and get less and less popular.Barnsley wrote:If the UK vote to leave there will be a General Election before the end of the year.
There would be a lot of issues is UK vote leave at the good folks of Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland vote to remain![]()
Nothing will happen until then as quite a lot of the cabinet including the Prime Minister are in the remain camp.
The "Brexit" folk haven't come up with anything concrete on what will be "the plan" should the UK leave, though to be fair the "Bremain" group haven't really said much either, both sides seem to be competing to see who can come up with the best scare story.
And what channels are funded by the establishment to broadcast such a message? None.Strong Eagle wrote:It really would be useful to understand the consequences of the vote BEFORE it is taken rather than neogtiating new (and potentially unpleasant) outcomes after the fact, don't you think?
Barnsley wrote: There would be a lot of issues is UK vote leave at the good folks of Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland vote to remain![]()
Ah visiting for their one day of summer?ScoobyDoes wrote:I'm flying from Edinburgh back to here on 24th so we'll see if on that Saturday my passport still works when I arrive back
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