Singapore Expats Forum

Tenant rights?

Discuss about life in Singapore. Ask about cost of living, housing, travel, etiquette & lifestyle. Share experience & advice with Singaporeans & expat staying in Singapore.

Sponsored by:
Image
AE Logistics - Movers & Storage

bigblue
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon, 25 Apr 2016

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby bigblue » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 3:36 pm

have 4 months left. already have given two months notice and served it.

PNGMK
Director
Director
Posts: 4852
Joined: Thu, 21 Mar 2013

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 4:25 pm

JR8 wrote:
PNGMK wrote:OP; if there is no diplomatic clause then just leave the country - ASAP without paying more rent. Technically you're running from a debt (which is not a criminal act) but most LL don't follow the debt up. You'll lose the deposit but that's what the deposit is for. IF you don't have an EP it's no longer reasonable (or even legal) for you to be party to a rental agreement that requires you to be a resident here and if your LL won't work with you then too bad for him.


The deposit is vs damages beyond fair wear and tear. It's has no relation to you walking out on your contractual obligations. Walking out on a functional TA is no more moral than doing a runner on an unpaid bill from a restaurant.

'Losing your EP cancels your obligations under a TA' - yeah, I look forward to seeing that test case get heard :-D


We all know that JR8 but in this shithole that has ZERO tenant protection there is sometimes no choice.
I have gay, black, Asian friends and then JR8.

User avatar
JR8
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 16514
Joined: Wed, 24 Mar 2010
Location: K. Puki Manis

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby JR8 » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 4:30 pm

The problem comes when you say - this shit is how it is.
Call me an idealist but I prefer to set out the law, the benchmarks.... 'This is how it should be - NOW decide to respond...
Rather than chucking some limiting umbrella of assumptions over peeps.
'Do it or do not do it: You will regret both' - Kierkegaard

bigblue
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon, 25 Apr 2016

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby bigblue » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 5:36 pm

Please keep this thread productive.

I'm looking for answers and real guidance based on past experience or based on someone actually knowing the property laws in Singapore.

Not wild assumptions.

So to JR8 and PNGMK pls take your disagreement off this chat.

User avatar
ecureilx
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 9283
Joined: Fri, 20 Aug 2010

Re: RE: Re: Tenant rights?

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 6:04 pm

bigblue wrote:Please keep this thread productive.

I'm looking for answers and real guidance based on past experience or based on someone actually knowing the property laws in Singapore.

Not wild assumptions.

So to JR8 and PNGMK pls take your disagreement off this chat.


Property law ? Uh no.

You signed an agreement and that's binding, says me. And I am not a legal expert , but seen enough folks in your situation and myself too once.

Better talk to a lawyer to confirm you probably have nothing much to hang on too - plus Add in the lawyer fees to you expenses.

BTW, JR8, I guess, is expressing his thoughts as a landlord. Don't write him off. He's pretty well versed with those property stuff.

Ps. Would your employer have some relocation terms that maybe helpful to you here ?

User avatar
ecureilx
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 9283
Joined: Fri, 20 Aug 2010

Re: RE: Re: Tenant rights?

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 6:07 pm

bigblue wrote:does anyone have any suggestions to where i can post ie websites, etc the apt to find a new tenant?

You can advertise here or on other paid sites.

However its gonna be fun when the landlord insist you to cover the difference if the new tenants insist on paying a lower rent based on current market trends ...

User avatar
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 34268
Joined: Thu, 11 Nov 2004
Location: Still Fishing!
Contact:

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 6:21 pm

bigblue wrote:Please keep this thread productive.

I'm looking for answers and real guidance based on past experience or based on someone actually knowing the property laws in Singapore.

Not wild assumptions.

So to JR8 and PNGMK pls take your disagreement off this chat.


Who died and left you boss? - moderator

bigblue
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon, 25 Apr 2016

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby bigblue » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 6:32 pm

again if you don't have experience in this matter or know the law your just trolling and seems like your looking to argue.

for those that gave possible solutions thank you.

User avatar
ecureilx
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 9283
Joined: Fri, 20 Aug 2010

Re: RE: Re: Tenant rights?

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 7:11 pm

bigblue wrote:again if you don't have experience in this matter or know the law your ...


It should be "you are ... " instead of ..

Now it sort of makes sense, how you ended up with a one sided contract.

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9165
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby x9200 » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 7:15 pm

That's why I am very hesitant to help somebody to win something at the expense of another person who I know nothing about. Especially if this somebody shows clear signs of entitlement complexes right from the start. Zero tenant rights, even if the case, is not good enough.

BBCWatcher
Editor
Editor
Posts: 1035
Joined: Sun, 13 Sep 2015

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby BBCWatcher » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 7:33 pm

bigblue wrote:have 4 months left. already have given two months notice and served it.

So I'm confused. Did you have a 24 month lease, stayed 20 months, invoked the diplomatic clause, and gave notice 2 months ago? If all that is correct, it seems you have no further obligations provided the diplomatic clause is validly asserted (meaning, you really have to leave Singapore). If you're saying that you are just a few months into a 24 month lease, then the diplomatic clause cuts your obligation in half (to 12 months) but doesn't help any more than that -- although obviously that's a lot better than a 24 month obligation.

I'm assuming "typical" rental agreement language. That's a big assumption.

bigblue
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon, 25 Apr 2016

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby bigblue » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 7:42 pm

thought this forum was put together to help ppl?

instead your fixing my grammar and insulting me now.

Even when your are not at fault, perhaps especially when you are not at fault, let love conquer pride.

User avatar
x9200
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 9165
Joined: Mon, 07 Sep 2009
Location: Singapore

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby x9200 » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 8:30 pm

bigblue wrote:thought this forum was put together to help ppl?

instead your fixing my grammar and insulting me now.

Even when your are not at fault, perhaps especially when you are not at fault, let love conquer pride.

This forum is for various reasons, helping is one of them, discussing different subjects another, but I guess there are not that many people who like the attitude of a newbie coming and asking for some help and soon later teaching the regulars what they should and what they should not do. Who do you think you are to do this?

You don't even bother answering questions directed to you and they were intended to better understand your situation.

Moderator

User avatar
JR8
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 16514
Joined: Wed, 24 Mar 2010
Location: K. Puki Manis

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby JR8 » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 9:17 pm

bigblue wrote:So to JR8 and PNGMK pls take your disagreement off this chat.


I haven't any problem with PNG; more exasperated that you've not defined your issue. And then here you are getting haughty.

'Well good luck with that'...
'Do it or do not do it: You will regret both' - Kierkegaard

User avatar
JR8
Immortal
Immortal
Posts: 16514
Joined: Wed, 24 Mar 2010
Location: K. Puki Manis

Re: Tenant rights?

Postby JR8 » Tue, 26 Apr 2016 9:29 pm

BBCWatcher wrote:
bigblue wrote:have 4 months left. already have given two months notice and served it.

So I'm confused. Did you have a 24 month lease, stayed 20 months, invoked the diplomatic clause, and gave notice 2 months ago? If all that is correct, it seems you have no further obligations provided the diplomatic clause is validly asserted (meaning, you really have to leave Singapore). If you're saying that you are just a few months into a 24 month lease, then the diplomatic clause cuts your obligation in half (to 12 months) but doesn't help any more than that -- although obviously that's a lot better than a 24 month obligation.

I'm assuming "typical" rental agreement language. That's a big assumption.


Well quite. He is STILL yet to define the question, despite prompting.
'Do it or do not do it: You will regret both' - Kierkegaard


  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Staying, Living in Singapore”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest