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EP rejected second time. what chances do I have after my company will appeal?

Postby ana05 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 10:37 am

Hello everyone,
i know this question is so common but just need to hear other people experience. I'm a Master degree holder from Romania, 28years old with 4years experience in Sales and 2years in Management. First time I got rejected(reason was that the salary is to high) for a GM position so I said maybe I dont have experience and the company was quite small so I tried to find a job in sales for a bigger company . Finally I find a company who was willing to apply for EP but after 2 weeks of waiting I got rejected again. Now the company is preparing my appeal but im worried .... what the reasons can be? The % of being rejected again is high ? The reason can be the previous application or my degree ?

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Postby Strong Eagle » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:13 am

Rejected because "salary is too high"? Never heard that one. How much did they claim they were going to pay you? Were you actually going to make that much or was it all fake?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:34 am

Was it a Romanian startup company?

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Postby ana05 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:46 am

Strong Eagle wrote:Rejected because "salary is too high"? Never heard that one. How much did they claim they were going to pay you? Were you actually going to make that much or was it all fake?


wasn't fake. The company offered me $4600 to be the GM for a bar and yes is sounds weird, I also did not believe until I saw myself but that's was the reason of rejection.

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Postby ana05 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:49 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Was it a Romanian startup company?


No, is a local company but they were thinking to bring some European concept.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:04 pm

IMHO, you should not be considered at all for any sale and marketing standard position - there are many locals who can do the job. What is the European concept that you would be bringing in and which would make you different among the all the local potential candidates?

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Postby ana05 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:27 pm

x9200 wrote:IMHO, you should not be considered at all for any sale and marketing standard position - there are many locals who can do the job. What is the European concept that you would be bringing in and which would make you different among the all the local potential candidates?


First job was as a General Manager for a bar, as the business it wasn't that good the owner was thinking to bring European concept and ask me to join the team but how I mentioned the EP was rejected. Probably I'm not better then any local or any other person in this world, I never said that and I do not consider myself different at all ...I just asked for some help/opinions. Thanks for your time and wish you a good day!

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:39 pm

It's not personal so no need for saying you are better or worse, it's just the MoM's perspective to prioritize local workforce. If a job is a common one so many locals can do it, you should not be hired for that position. The company has to prove you are going to provide something the local employees can not provide or there is a shortage of local candidates for the job assuming the salary to be paid is fair or better.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:44 pm

ana05, climb down off your high horse. There is a reason why we are asking these seemingly unrelated questions. We needed more details in order to understand the concept and possible reasons for rejection. In F&B management, there is a school here called SHATEC which produces amply numbers of diploma holders with F&B Management capable people. It's because of this that they look at FT trying to come in as F&B Managers. Most don't know the ropes of Singapore well enough to be able to manage effectively, especially one without relevant Asian experience. Add to that the clampdown on the hiring of FT in the F&B trade and the fact that the starting salary is rather high for a startup. If MOM thinks that there are sufficient people to fill the position, or the position was never opened up to Locals on the MOM's Job Board for a minimum of two weeks, then the rejection could/would have happened.

The same problem arises with a new position of Sales Manager. What do you know of Asian Clients? Do you speak any Asian languages? Sometimes it's difficult to know the ways of the MOM here but Local Job Protection is at the top of their lists.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:46 pm

Another question. Did you actually see the rejection notice/letter? What did it say, exactly. Not paraphrased by you.

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Postby ana05 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 1:05 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Another question. Did you actually see the rejection notice/letter? What did it say, exactly. Not paraphrased by you.


For first rejections :"We have noted a significant increase in the declared salary compared to candidate's previous application. This salary do not match with his/her credentials"
The second one I did not see as the company is preparing the appeal.

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Postby ecureilx » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 1:20 pm

ana05 wrote:For first rejections :"We have noted a significant increase in the declared salary compared to candidate's previous application. This salary do not match with his/her credentials"
The second one I did not see as the company is preparing the appeal.


What's The paid up capital ?

Therein may lie the problem, i.e. MOM suspecting if the declared pay is just a show to MOM. And after getting the pass, there's a high possibility of pay being restructured (whatever that means).

There is a FnB company here who have expat (western) staff, I know they started off with 7 figure start up costs. Amount that evokes confidence in MOM that it's not a dummy business with dummy pay.

And nearer to home a hotel has a few Korean bar tenders on EP, their possible plus point being excellent singlish ;)

So, do you speak Singlish? :D

Yes, years ago Singapore welcomed foreigners with open arms, to even work in coffee shops and bar wait staff, and more. Not any more.

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Postby x9200 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 1:22 pm

ana05 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:Another question. Did you actually see the rejection notice/letter? What did it say, exactly. Not paraphrased by you.


For first rejections :"We have noted a significant increase in the declared salary compared to candidate's previous application. This salary do not match with his/her credentials"
The second one I did not see as the company is preparing the appeal.

I am lost. You said the 1st company got rejection based on the salary and the MoM's comment mentions "previous application". What previous application?

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Postby ana05 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 1:42 pm

x9200 wrote:
ana05 wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:Another question. Did you actually see the rejection notice/letter? What did it say, exactly. Not paraphrased by you.


For first rejections :"We have noted a significant increase in the declared salary compared to candidate's previous application. This salary do not match with his/her credentials"
The second one I did not see as the company is preparing the appeal.

I am lost. You said the 1st company got rejection based on the salary and the MoM's comment mentions "previous application". What previous application?


I assume they talking about my previous job. The HR was asking for all my previous salary...

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Postby ana05 » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 1:55 pm

ecureilx wrote:
ana05 wrote:For first rejections :"We have noted a significant increase in the declared salary compared to candidate's previous application. This salary do not match with his/her credentials"
The second one I did not see as the company is preparing the appeal.


What's The paid up capital ?

Therein may lie the problem, i.e. MOM suspecting if the declared pay is just a show to MOM. And after getting the pass, there's a high possibility of pay being restructured (whatever that means).

There is a FnB company here who have expat (western) staff, I know they started off with 7 figure start up costs. Amount that evokes confidence in MOM that it's not a dummy business with dummy pay.

And nearer to home a hotel has a few Korean bar tenders on EP, their possible plus point being excellent singlish ;)

So, do you speak Singlish? :D

Yes, years ago Singapore welcomed foreigners with open arms, to even work in coffee shops and bar wait staff, and more. Not any more.


Yes,I can speak singlish. My boyfriend and my best friend are Singaporeans, so I love Singapore and Singaporeans in a different way not just as a tourist or potential employee O:)
What I don't understand is if the problem is at me( if yes, I wont try anymore) or the employers ( some friends said that maybe is the company and I should try a bigger one).


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