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Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby BrighterDay » Tue, 12 Apr 2016 3:14 pm

Hi,

I’m holding a LTVP and have been married to a PR holder for 5 years. Currently working as an Accountant in a small organization. (my income is ~36k sgd per a.n)

Unfortunately that our marriage didn’t work well in the past 2 years so we have decided to stop this marriage and be friends. My questions are:

1. What would happen to my current LTV pass after divorcing? Will it be revoked immediately or they will just let it be till the day it's expired? (My pass expiry date is end of 2017). Assuming that the ICA will leave my pass be till the day it's expired, Can my husband still be my sponsor and continue renewing my pass in future (He is willing to do this even after divorced) ? Or I have to get a Spass/EP in order to continue staying and working in Singapore?

2. After divorcing, do I need to inform ICA immediately?

3. My last concern is do I need to wait for a certain period or when can I get marriage again? Back to my first assumption above, let's say my LTVP pass will not be affected after divorcing since it's validity is until 2017 then what would happen or how to renew my pass when I get into a new marriage?

Hmm, sound super complicated to me and I have been advising by different lawyers but they keep giving me different answers so I'm really confused.

A bit more information:
We have no kids, no intention is fight over any assets.
Just wanna make it simple and easy for both.

Appreciate for your help,
Thank you

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 12 Apr 2016 3:49 pm

BrighterDay wrote:1. What would happen to my current LTV pass after divorcing? Will it be revoked immediately or they will just let it be till the day it's expired? (My pass expiry date is end of 2017). Assuming that the ICA will leave my pass be till the day it's expired, Can my husband still be my sponsor and continue renewing my pass in future (He is willing to do this even after divorced) ? Or I have to get a Spass/EP in order to continue staying and working in Singapore?


From what I know, .

Try to get a job with a higher pay. 36,000 $ is cutting it close. It is borderline illegal to stay on a Long term pass when you are not married to the sponsor. Unless of course the papers aren't finalised and your husband lets you stay while the fine prints are read and dotted lines signed. That may buy you a few months if both of you are amicable.

BrighterDay wrote:2. After divorcing, do I need to inform ICA immediately?


Not immediate, but within a month or so, you need to inform. I am not sure if the info gets automatically updated, but I guess 1 month is a reasonable period of time.

BrighterDay wrote:3. My last concern is do I need to wait for a certain period or when can I get marriage again? Back to my first assumption above, let's say my LTVP pass will not be affected after divorcing since it's validity is until 2017 then what would happen or how to renew my pass when I get into a new marriage?


So you already plan to get married ? Oh. That's nice :roll:

Well, again, from what I know, post divorce, there's no cooling off period. You can get married as soon as you have your divorce finalised. However, ROM may suggest you to go through the pre-marriage counselling. No clue on that. But I guess you should have given up your LTVP before going on your next try. I am not sure how ROM or ICA share information.

BrighterDay wrote:Hmm, sound super complicated to me and I have been advising by different lawyers but they keep giving me different answers so I'm really confused.


You should preferably stick to one lawyer, who knows immigration related stuff. Consulting many lawyers may give different answers, as they say, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Lastly, where do you hail from ? That may play in your favour if you are looking for a Plan B

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby BrighterDay » Tue, 12 Apr 2016 4:20 pm

ecureilx wrote:
BrighterDay wrote:1. What would happen to my current LTV pass after divorcing? Will it be revoked immediately or they will just let it be till the day it's expired? (My pass expiry date is end of 2017). Assuming that the ICA will leave my pass be till the day it's expired, Can my husband still be my sponsor and continue renewing my pass in future (He is willing to do this even after divorced) ? Or I have to get a Spass/EP in order to continue staying and working in Singapore?


From what I know, .

Try to get a job with a higher pay. 36,000 $ is cutting it close. It is borderline illegal to stay on a Long term pass when you are not married to the sponsor. Unless of course the papers aren't finalised and your husband lets you stay while the fine prints are read and dotted lines signed. That may buy you a few months if both of you are amicable.

BrighterDay wrote:2. After divorcing, do I need to inform ICA immediately?


Not immediate, but within a month or so, you need to inform. I am not sure if the info gets automatically updated, but I guess 1 month is a reasonable period of time.

BrighterDay wrote:3. My last concern is do I need to wait for a certain period or when can I get marriage again? Back to my first assumption above, let's say my LTVP pass will not be affected after divorcing since it's validity is until 2017 then what would happen or how to renew my pass when I get into a new marriage?


So you already plan to get married ? Oh. That's nice :roll:

Well, again, from what I know, post divorce, there's no cooling off period. You can get married as soon as you have your divorce finalised. However, ROM may suggest you to go through the pre-marriage counselling. No clue on that. But I guess you should have given up your LTVP before going on your next try. I am not sure how ROM or ICA share information.

BrighterDay wrote:Hmm, sound super complicated to me and I have been advising by different lawyers but they keep giving me different answers so I'm really confused.


You should preferably stick to one lawyer, who knows immigration related stuff. Consulting many lawyers may give different answers, as they say, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Lastly, where do you hail from ? That may play in your favour if you are looking for a Plan B



Thank you very much for your information above.
I'm from Vietnam.

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby sgstrait » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 8:35 am

Were you married in Singapore under Singapore law, or abroad? If you did the marriage here, then the MOM will automatically know about any divorce and probably feed that into ICA.

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby BrighterDay » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:54 am

sgstrait wrote:Were you married in Singapore under Singapore law, or abroad? If you did the marriage here, then the MOM will automatically know about any divorce and probably feed that into ICA.

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Yes, our ROM was held in Singapore.
Thank you for your information.
I will go through it and update again.

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:31 pm

sgstrait wrote:Read upside down - 370HSSV 0773H


Is that kind of behavior really necessary?

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby BrighterDay » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:44 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
sgstrait wrote:Read upside down - 370HSSV 0773H


Is that kind of behavior really necessary?

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I was wondering the same thing.

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:48 pm

BrighterDay, please don't mind him. Sadly this is an open board so we do get all kinds here, so please, just take it with a grain of salt. Some here are not always as mature as they should be.

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby BrighterDay » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 1:51 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:BrighterDay, please don't mind him. Sadly this is an open board so we do get all kinds here, so please, just take it with a grain of salt. Some here are not always as mature as they should be.


Thank you SMS, not to worry.
I'm here just to figure out how my problems can be solved. Can't be bothered with all the irrelevant things with my topic.
Also appreciate much for all the attention as well as kindness advises that have been given.
I will update everything again after I go through this whole process in case there is someone having a same issue or question as me.

Cheers

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 14 Apr 2016 4:05 pm

BrighterDay wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:BrighterDay, please don't mind him. Sadly this is an open board so we do get all kinds here, so please, just take it with a grain of salt. Some here are not always as mature as they should be.


Thank you SMS, not to worry.
I'm here just to figure out how my problems can be solved. Can't be bothered with all the irrelevant things with my topic.
Also appreciate much for all the attention as well as kindness advises that have been given.
I will update everything again after I go through this whole process in case there is someone having a same issue or question as me.

Cheers


I don't know about MOM being instantly notified by ROM, but as I said, 30 day is about the maximum leeway you could expect, in between.

And holding a VN passport, you can't do much for visa extension as well.

Switch to Plan B: Look for a good paying job and get your own Pass.

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby BrighterDay » Wed, 20 Apr 2016 1:07 pm

ecureilx wrote:
BrighterDay wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:BrighterDay, please don't mind him. Sadly this is an open board so we do get all kinds here, so please, just take it with a grain of salt. Some here are not always as mature as they should be.


Thank you SMS, not to worry.
I'm here just to figure out how my problems can be solved. Can't be bothered with all the irrelevant things with my topic.
Also appreciate much for all the attention as well as kindness advises that have been given.
I will update everything again after I go through this whole process in case there is someone having a same issue or question as me.

Cheers


I don't know about MOM being instantly notified by ROM, but as I said, 30 day is about the maximum leeway you could expect, in between.

And holding a VN passport, you can't do much for visa extension as well.

Switch to Plan B: Look for a good paying job and get your own Pass.



Hmm..I would consider your advise after all..but If I have got my own pass (e.g EP's pass) before filing the divorce then will it be affected when I divorce?
And only heard that more and more Work permit holders as well as S pass holders whom married SCs/PRs are converting to LTP and continuing their employment with a LOC issued by MOM as Singapore gov. is encouraging them to convert their passes to LTVP to help employers cut down their levy and quota in hiring foreigners. So my concern is in what case I can change to EP's pass?
Won't MOM question why would I not continue to work under LOC cos nobody said LOC can't get a higher pay (based on my current salary)?
:???: :???: :???: *confused*

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Re: Kindly help: What would happen to my LTVP after divorcing?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 20 Apr 2016 4:09 pm

BrighterDay, no, they would not question it. You should, if a divorce is in the air, attempt to get a S or WP or EP as soon as possible because you will lose your LTVP when you get your divorce. The you will be up the creek without the proverbial paddle. Items in blue pay special attention to....

From ICA's Website:

Eligibility for Applications

Foreign spouse of Singapore Permanent Resident may apply for Long-Term Visit Pass or LTVP in short, online via e-VP

Documents Required
The following documents may be required upon request by ICA.

  • Applicant's travel document (e.g. passport) with at least 6 months validity. A copy of the travel document personal particulars page must be submitted to ICA
  • Applicant's Disembarkation/Embarkation (D/E) card with a valid Visit Pass granted on entry into Singapore
  • The local sponsor's Identity Card (a copy of the NRIC must be submitted to ICA)
  • Applicant's Marriage Certificate
  • If applicant is pregnant, a letter from a registered doctor stating applicant's Expected Date of Delivery (EDD) is required
  • Children's Birth Certificates, if any
  • Local sponsor's and applicant's highest Educational Certificate
  • Local sponsor's Letter of Employment stating Date of Commencement, Designation and Salary per month (for self-employed: sponsor's valid Registration Certificate from the Accounting and Corporate Regulatory Authority (ACRA) and Company's Profit & Loss Statement for the last 12 months)
  • Local sponsor's Income Tax Notice of Assessment for the last 3 years and CPF Statement showing monthly CPF contribution for the last 12 months. Alternatively, the sponsor may choose to complete Appendix VP to give consent for ICA to obtain and verify financial information provided in respect of this application with the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore (IRAS) and Central Provident Fund Board (CPF) directly instead.
  • One recent passport-sized colour photograph (to be pasted on the top right-hand corner of Form 14) which meets the following requirements:
    • Image must be taken within the last 3 months
    • Photograph should be in colour, must be taken against a white background with a matt or semi-matt finish
    • Image must show the full face and without headgear (headgear worn in accordance with religious or racial customs is acceptable but must not hide the facial features)
  • Sponsor's and applicant's Divorce Certificate, if any (original and photocopy)
Note: Application must be sponsored by the spouse.


Particular attention should be paid to the last line. Once you are divorced, your ex-husband is no longer your spouse. Therefore to answer that question, you cannot remain on the LoC after the divorce and when (not if) you get caught, both your and your ex will probably be ejected from the country for trying to defrauding the government. Be careful. Very careful.


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