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SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby beard1 » Fri, 01 Apr 2016 12:03 pm

Booked an August 2016 appointment for my third try! Not giving up on Singapore as a home just yet.

Posting here because despite the tough love and hard truths I've faced here, I honestly have learned so much from people like SMS (mainly by lurking in the shadows).

This time, I'm applying as a spouse of an SC because the girlfriend and I tied the knot! Previous two tries were on PTS

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[*]26 YO male, Eurasian, Maldives passport, born in Sri Lanka (before you ask about NS - did not do because I had to leave SG after JC to take care of sick parents, wasn't sure I'd return. Yes I know not serving is a big minus, and I'll be indicating my willingness to serve in my cover letter)
[*]Married (wife is Singaporean Chinese, married for 1+ years)
[*]Locally educated (NUS BSc./JC/Secondary School)
[*]Salary $63k p.a. ++
[*]3x NOA in Singapore will be done by then. Residing in Singapore since 2005
[*]Highly involved in community (animal welfare, blood donation, sharing economy societies, photography related societies)
[*]Working in tech industry (US Silicon Valley company, 2 years there in aug + history of promotion and of being a "high achiever", not sure if that'll matter though)

I think being rejected twice has left me feeling like I have nothing to lose so I'm approaching this with zero expectations - tikam tikam try luck.

Worst case scenario they just reject me again :)

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby BBCWatcher » Fri, 01 Apr 2016 2:50 pm

beard1 wrote:....born in Sri Lanka (before you ask about NS - did not do....)

I don't quite understand this part. I wasn't aware that Sri Lanka has compulsory national service. (Or does the Maldives?) Either way, what did you have in mind with respect to ICA? The Part F (d)(ii) declaration?

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby ecureilx » Fri, 01 Apr 2016 3:07 pm

beard1 wrote:[*]Highly involved in community (animal welfare, blood donation, sharing economy societies, photography related societies)
[*]Working in tech industry (US Silicon Valley company, 2 years there in aug + history of promotion and of being a "high achiever", not sure if that'll matter though)

I think being rejected twice has left me feeling like I have nothing to lose so I'm approaching this with zero expectations - tikam tikam try luck.

Worst case scenario they just reject me again :)


Don't get it, what's with NS thingy ? You were PR here before or something I missed ?

As for win-win, donate more blood, that maybe the deciding factor :-k Kidding !!!

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby beard1 » Mon, 04 Apr 2016 4:11 pm

*facepalm* I see how this could have been explained with more clarity.

As a young male who grew up in Singapore I'm regularly reminded that I should've served NS here after JC because now I look like I tried to evade it, which will not do my application any favours. I'm aware of this and wanted to include context regarding why I hadn't served ITFP.

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby beard1 » Mon, 04 Apr 2016 4:13 pm

BBCWatcher wrote:
beard1 wrote:....born in Sri Lanka (before you ask about NS - did not do....)

I don't quite understand this part. I wasn't aware that Sri Lanka has compulsory national service. (Or does the Maldives?) Either way, what did you have in mind with respect to ICA? The Part F (d)(ii) declaration?


Since the no-NS-but-grew-up-here factor may be a big negative I'm planning to indicate my willingness to serve if I become a PR!

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 04 Apr 2016 5:38 pm

I think you are going to need a large dosage of good luck. But stranger things have happened.

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby dynamic.dante » Tue, 05 Apr 2016 4:13 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I think you are going to need a large dosage of good luck. But stranger things have happened.


And landed onto jail ?

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 05 Apr 2016 5:04 pm

beard1 wrote:*facepalm* I see how this could have been explained with more clarity.

As a young male who grew up in Singapore I'm regularly reminded that I should've served NS here after JC because now I look like I tried to evade it, which will not do my application any favours. I'm aware of this and wanted to include context regarding why I hadn't served ITFP.


You need to double face palm yourself.

Just because you studied here and all and that doesn't make you somebody who evaded NS.

Unless you are a PR here before, you are a) not obligated to server NS, and b) You can't do voluntary NS, just because you like it, unless under the VCS. And VCS is nowhere near the Real Deal NS.

So I don't get the face palm thing of you saying you want to do NS and you don't want to be seen as a dodger. :-k

So did I miss something ? Were you here on PR when you studied here ? I don't see you having mentioned that anywhere.

So unless you were PR when you were here, if you do get PR again, at 26, my tea leaves say, you will NOT called to do NS, and that's with a 99% accuracy.

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sundaymorningstaple wrote:I think you are going to need a large dosage of good luck. But stranger things have happened.


And landed onto jail ?


What's that ? :-k :-k

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby dynamic.dante » Tue, 05 Apr 2016 5:08 pm

ecureilx wrote:
beard1 wrote:*facepalm* I see how this could have been explained with more clarity.

As a young male who grew up in Singapore I'm regularly reminded that I should've served NS here after JC because now I look like I tried to evade it, which will not do my application any favours. I'm aware of this and wanted to include context regarding why I hadn't served ITFP.


You need to double face palm yourself.

Just because you studied here and all and that doesn't make you somebody who evaded NS.

Unless you are a PR here before, you are a) not obligated to server NS, and b) You can't do voluntary NS, just because you like it, unless under the VCS. And VCS is nowhere near the Real Deal NS.

So I don't get the face palm thing of you saying you want to do NS and you don't want to be seen as a dodger. :-k

So did I miss something ? Were you here on PR when you studied here ? I don't see you having mentioned that anywhere.

So unless you were PR when you were here, if you do get PR again, at 26, my tea leaves say, you will NOT called to do NS, and that's with a 99% accuracy.

dynamic.dante wrote:
sundaymorningstaple wrote:I think you are going to need a large dosage of good luck. But stranger things have happened.


And landed onto jail ?


What's that ? :-k :-k

Oh woops, was referring to his post about monopoly. Wrong thread :p

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby beard1 » Mon, 13 Jun 2016 3:59 pm

Monopoly?? I don't remember posting about that...

Sorry for the delayed replies - but I'll try to clarify.

I was never a PR but was invited to apply during JC. I did not do so at the time because my circumstances forced me to leave Singapore after A Levels (but I ended up returning for Uni and after that). In my conversations with many people (including senior govt & PMO staff), I've been told that may not be perceived in the best light. I'm in agreement with your statement that studying here etc. doesn't make me a dodger but hey, just saying what I was told.

I would actually not mind serving - law enforcement/military was my dream career growing up, and I think if a country like SG is willing to entrust me with permanent residency/citizenship, it's the least I can do to give back and protect my home.

Anyway finally, updates that may be relevant towards my upcoming August PR application;
- EP was just renewed this morning. Started work at this company in Aug 2014 on a 2 year EP, renewed to a 3 year EP.
- Salary increased by 15%-ish
- Promoted to a niche role, with regional responsibility
- Paid taxes for the recent assessment
- Living with my Singaporean wife + in laws in their family home (previously we were living in the place I rented).

I'm hoping these factors help strengthen my case when I head to ICA in a few months! I think the benefit of being rejected twice is you have zero expectations :)

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ecureilx wrote:
beard1 wrote:*facepalm* I see how this could have been explained with more clarity.

As a young male who grew up in Singapore I'm regularly reminded that I should've served NS here after JC because now I look like I tried to evade it, which will not do my application any favours. I'm aware of this and wanted to include context regarding why I hadn't served ITFP.


You need to double face palm yourself.

Just because you studied here and all and that doesn't make you somebody who evaded NS.

Unless you are a PR here before, you are a) not obligated to server NS, and b) You can't do voluntary NS, just because you like it, unless under the VCS. And VCS is nowhere near the Real Deal NS.

So I don't get the face palm thing of you saying you want to do NS and you don't want to be seen as a dodger. :-k

So did I miss something ? Were you here on PR when you studied here ? I don't see you having mentioned that anywhere.

So unless you were PR when you were here, if you do get PR again, at 26, my tea leaves say, you will NOT called to do NS, and that's with a 99% accuracy.

dynamic.dante wrote:
And landed onto jail ?


What's that ? :-k :-k

Oh woops, was referring to his post about monopoly. Wrong thread :p

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby PNGMK » Mon, 13 Jun 2016 7:26 pm

You may be ok. Now you have clarified. I think the 'turn down PR' thing is not completely 100% true in terms of causing issues in the future (it certainly is with SC invitations). Let us know how you go.
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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby beard1 » Wed, 10 Aug 2016 7:33 pm

Just applied today, and the wait begins. Had a very different experience than my first two rejections. The lady who received our documents etc. was extremely diligent and helped us with a lot of small details that may have otherwise been cause for concern (e.g. scan resolution of copies of documents, making sure my wife's and my documents were sequenced correctly).

Doubt I will be checking iEnquiry as frantically as I did the first two times around, but I will update this thread once we get an answer. Interesting fact; any correspondence gets addressed and mailed to my wife (SGC sponsor) and not me!

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Postby PNGMK » Wed, 10 Aug 2016 8:06 pm

Oh for the old days when you just waited for a letter...
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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 10 Aug 2016 10:32 pm

^^^This! LOL

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Re: SPR - Third time's the charm?

Postby dynamic.dante » Thu, 11 Aug 2016 12:52 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:^^^This! LOL

Actually why would ica not move to emails or other electronic form of communication. Other government institutions such as
MOM has pretty much modernized their systems to allow IPA letters be printed out.


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