I don't know the legalistic answer -- that'd take quite a bit of research -- but the practical answer is that governments tend to act in their self-interest. For a variety of reasons it is not in Singapore's self-interest to have the U.S. government apprehend and detain one of its active duty soldiers if (when) the roles were reversed, especially given the context. "Best guess" is that Singapore's government would ask that particular sailor or crewman to leave (or not to leave his ship or aircraft), and the Pentagon would do its best to honor their ally's request -- or to avoid offending their ally in the first place. It'd be analogous to diplomatic courtesies. As a practical matter militaries don't disclose the names or other details of their sailors or crewmen, even to allies. Such details would probably not become known unless an individual actually left his/her ship or aircraft (and any secured area) for "shore leave." Bliss555's son would presumably be sensible enough not to take shore leave in Singapore, without being asked or ordered not to take shore leave. Singapore will not attempt to violate her ally's security zones, for hopefully obvious reasons.ecureilx wrote:Come to think of it, how will it go if he joined the Navy and the vessel docked in Singapore ? Or Joined the Air Force and his plane landed in Singapore for RnR ? Serious question.
Agreed, SMS. That's a possible consequence of evading National Service if that's Bliss555's son's future career trajectory. Avoiding Singapore means avoiding Singapore, permanently and completely. It's exile, excommunication.sundaymorningstaple wrote:Or having to give up that plum offer that would put him head and shoulders above all his colleagues, only because he would have to do a two year hitch in Singapore with the MNC he might be working for.
A lot of assumptions there ...BBCWatcher wrote:For a variety of reasons it is not in Singapore's self-interest to have the U.S. government apprehend and detain one of its active duty soldiers if (when) the roles were reversed, especially given the context. "Best guess" is that Singapore's government would ask that particular sailor or crewman to leave (or not to leave his ship or aircraft), and the Pentagon would do its best to honor their ally's request -- or to avoid offending their ally in the first place. It'd be analogous to diplomatic courtesies. As a practical matter militaries don't disclose the names or other details of their sailors or crewmen, even to allies. Such details would probably not become known unless an individual actually left his/her ship or aircraft (and any secured area) for "shore leave." Bliss555's son would presumably be sensible enough not to take shore leave in Singapore, without being asked or ordered not to take shore leave. Singapore will not attempt to violate her ally's security zones, for hopefully obvious reasons.
No, I don't want any credit, it's all yours You have can have all of it.BBCWatcher wrote:Ecureilx, you might have come up with the one loophole. I don't think the diplomatic corps would work -- Singapore would simply refuse to accredit Bliss555's son. But as a random sailor aboard (and staying aboard) a U.S. Navy vessel docked in Singapore, looking out a porthole at Singapore's future skyline? That'd probably work.
I don't answer most personal background questions, even (or especially) pseudonymously.ecureilx wrote:PS, have you served in the forces ? Maybe SMS can explain how it would work, when you refuse to step ashore
Gay/homo, trans - too can be exempted or put in desk jobs. Did you forget Jehovah's Witness ? As for your hypotheses, please don't stop, since now have thought about feigning mental illness to escape NSBBCWatcher wrote: Serious mental and/or physical disability(ies) can result in a NS exemption or deferment, but the enlistee still needs to go through an exam to verify that. I don't recommend acquiring a serious mental or physical disability.
How do you plan to avoid medical diversions and tech stops?BBCWatcher wrote:2. Physically avoid Singapore, including flight connections and her territorial waters (e.g. cruise ship stops).
No. I also did not forget peach pickers and audio repair technicians. That is to say, I didn't mention them, and I didn't intend to. What I intended to do is inject a bit of levity into this fairly dreary conversation -- the head-crashing-into-a-wall emoticon is a clue -- but apparently you missed the joke.ecureilx wrote:Gay/homo, trans - too can be exempted or put in desk jobs. Did you forget Jehovah's Witness ?
*I* don't plan to avoid Singapore. I haven't used up my NETS FlashPay card yet.How do you plan to avoid medical diversions and tech stops?
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