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Postby ecureilx » Tue, 08 Mar 2016 7:37 am

zinc32 wrote:Hi sms there is nothing to hide ... I have been mentioning in this forum on pr stuff besides when they called they thought I am the one who needs pr ... Which I negated ... May be they got some
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Postby anurao » Wed, 03 Aug 2016 10:03 pm

Hiring an immigration consultant: i too am looking for some advice on whether a immigration consultant should be hired for preparing the PR application or not. i also hear that the ica looks more into such consultant prepared applications for any brush up. is that true?

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 03 Aug 2016 10:34 pm

anurao wrote:Hiring an immigration consultant: i too am looking for some advice on whether a immigration consultant should be hired for preparing the PR application or not. i also hear that the ica looks more into such consultant prepared applications for any brush up. is that true?

Yeah, from what I know, applications through consultants are possibly looked at for any fabricated info. If there's nothing to fabricate why do you need a consultant to fill a form that's in simple English with documentary requirements spelt out very clearly?

Good luck.

By the way I hope your consultant guarantees 100% success or money back !

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 03 Aug 2016 11:00 pm

Annnnddd. if they do guarantee 100% success on just looking over your papers then you don't need them in the first place as you have enough data to fill it out yourself. After all, it's designed for any O level graduate to be able to fill out with 0 level English capabilities. Your money, you want to give it away, go right ahead. At the moment as you hopefully have read, both here an in the news, about the wait times before rejections (or possibly an occasional approval) it's getting harder not easier.

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Postby DerronTee » Fri, 09 Sep 2016 4:11 pm

wondering what kind of ppl need the consultation in PR application? it is so simple. ICA website has already listed out what documents you need to furnish and give you instructions already. I heard some ppl just helped someone to check the documents and filled up the application form then charged $1k. almost half of my monthly salary. zhen shi hao zhuan ye.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 09 Sep 2016 5:55 pm

^^^This!

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Postby JSM2018 » Sat, 13 Jan 2018 7:01 pm

Hi Guys,

I am a Singapore resident(Employment Pass holder) for about 6 years now and I have recently started thinking of applying for a PR.
Given the less chances of PR getting approved (specially for Indians) also after witnessing rejection of applications of many of my colleagues (submitted by themselves) rejected, I was wondering if anyone could help with any reviews for PR Consultants.Specially SIP (Singapore Immigration Partners) who have approached me for their services in the last 6 months. Would appreciate any specific inputs.

Thanks.

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Postby jamie9vardy » Sat, 13 Jan 2018 8:15 pm

JSM2018 wrote:Hi Guys,

I am a Singapore resident(Employment Pass holder) for about 6 years now and I have recently started thinking of applying for a PR.
Given the less chances of PR getting approved (specially for Indians) also after witnessing rejection of applications of many of my colleagues (submitted by themselves) rejected, I was wondering if anyone could help with any reviews for PR Consultants.Specially SIP (Singapore Immigration Partners) who have approached me for their services in the last 6 months. Would appreciate any specific inputs.

Thanks.

Just like those who came here before you and asked the same question. Here you go

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Postby Rahul1988 » Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:17 pm

jamie9vardy wrote:
JSM2018 wrote:Hi Guys,

I am a Singapore resident(Employment Pass holder) for about 6 years now and I have recently started thinking of applying for a PR.
Given the less chances of PR getting approved (specially for Indians) also after witnessing rejection of applications of many of my colleagues (submitted by themselves) rejected, I was wondering if anyone could help with any reviews for PR Consultants.Specially SIP (Singapore Immigration Partners) who have approached me for their services in the last 6 months. Would appreciate any specific inputs.

Thanks.

Just like those who came here before you and asked the same question. Here you go

viewtopic.php?t=116914


Hi, i am unable to view this thread. Could i please be granted the access? Thanks

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Postby Strong Eagle » Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:23 am

The thread has been blocked for some reason. The basic theme of the thread is:

DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY WITH IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS OF ANY KIND!

They cannot put any more information on the application than you supply them. If they add any information that you did not supply them, then they are lying on your application and that becomes your problem. If they suggest you "enhance" documents or acquire documents that don't exist, they are asking you to be fraudulent.

The immigration consultants have no special phone number or pipeline into ICA. They don't know anybody, and if an ICA officer were caught playing favorites and applying special processing for your application, both the ICA officer and the consultant would be in serious trouble.

Lots of people in ICA will review your application. The immigration consultant cannot and will not walk your application through all the desks. It will be processed just like everyone else.

While some ICA officers might prefer proper grammar and good spelling, that is NOT what will get you your PR. You can use friends and coworkers to make sure you have submitted a clear and concise application. Some of these immigration consultants don't have a very good command of the English language, either.

Beware any consultant that tells you "90 percent success rate", or something similar. It's either an out and out lie, or they very carefully pick and choose which candidates they choose... and if you are a candidate with a strong probability for success, why use a consultant. It's more likely and out and out lie. They will not give you your money back if you are not successful. That tells you something right there.

Finally, these consultants will charge you thousands to fill out and submit a few forms, forms you can fill out yourself. With a bit of study, by researching on Google, and by posting in forums such as this, you can get everything you need to fill out the application. Tell me again why you want to use a consultant?

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Postby Rahul1988 » Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:28 am

Strong Eagle wrote:The thread has been blocked for some reason. The basic theme of the thread is:

DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY WITH IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS OF ANY KIND!

They cannot put any more information on the application than you supply them. If they add any information that you did not supply them, then they are lying on your application and that becomes your problem.

The immigration consultants have no special phone number or pipeline into ICA. They don't know anybody, and if an ICA officer were caught playing favorites and applying special processing for your application, both the ICA officer and the consultant would be in serious trouble.

Lots of people in ICA will review your application. While they might prefer proper grammar and good spelling, that is NOT what will get you your PR. And some of these immigration consultants don't have a very good command of the English language, either.

Beware any consultant that tells you "90 percent success rate", or something similar. It's either an out and out lie, or they very carefully pick and choose which candidates they choose... and if you are a candidate with a strong probability for success, why use a consultant.

Finally, these consultants will charge you thousands to fill out and submit a few forms, forms you can fill out yourself. Tell me again why you want to use a consultant?
Thank you so much for paraphrasing the thread for me. I agree with all the points made. The only reason I feel gravitated towards consultants is coz they claim they have ex ICA offers working on the cases. Do you think these officers could provide some insights which us lesser mortals might not have?

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Postby Strong Eagle » Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:52 am

Rahul1988 wrote:The only reason I feel gravitated towards consultants is coz they claim they have ex ICA offers working on the cases. Do you think these officers could provide some insights which us lesser mortals might not have?


So what? What insights? if you've had 10 jobs in the last 5 years, can they spin that? If your income is $2500 per month and you've been working at the same place for 10 years, can they spin that?

There is nothing they can put on your application that you did not provide them. If they did, they would be falsifying the information you provided them.

So, let's say you have 10 jobs in 5 years. You go to the immigration consultant who is an ex-ICA officer. He looks at your application. He says, "So many jobs, wah! Howzat? You carrot or sumting?"

So... you explain how it is you had so many jobs... it's a good reason... he writes it down... so why couldn't you just write it down?

Now, it may be that an ex-ICA officer might know the process and might know the checklist and weighting process. So what? Are you going to lie on your application to influence the evaluation and weighting process? No. So, what difference does it make if the immigration consultant knows the process?

Nobody knows exactly how ICA arrives at their choices. But, here's my guess.

  1. They know that they will grant X,XXX PR's to Indians this year. As time goes on, they know how many applications they will get. The more applications, the less chance you have of being approved.

  2. Every application gets a net score for their application. There are a whole list of factors that we don't know about on that list. Every factor gets a score from 1 to ZZZ. One or more officers score your application, your supporting documents, and the research that they have done on you.

  3. Factors are weighted against each other and the more important ones get more weight. So let's say that each factor gets scored from 1 to 10. But, a criminal record is important so it is weighted as 5 times as important as the fact that you gave blood.

  4. So, once done, every application by an Indian for PR has been scored. No doubt, there is some minimum score that you must achieve in order to get PR. You don't make that score, you go into the shitcan.

  5. Now, they see what score is necessary to reach the quota they set for Indians. If they got 5000 applications for 1000 spots, and 1000 people scored 800 or higher, they get PR. You scored 750? So sorry, tough shit... not enough points. But maybe the top 1000 people scored 700 or higher. Hurray! You scored 750. You get PR!

You see that the process is not in anyone's hands? Can you see that you can't really spin the fact situation, otherwise you would be lying? Can you see that you can explain circumstances that might make negative information look better in a different light? But can you see, the immigration consultant can't even do that unless you tell him about it?

So again... what insights can the immigration consultant provide?

But... do us all a favor. Contact them. Ask them why you should use them. Let us know what they say. I'd be very interested.

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Postby Rahul1988 » Fri, 17 Aug 2018 1:35 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
Rahul1988 wrote:The only reason I feel gravitated towards consultants is coz they claim they have ex ICA offers working on the cases. Do you think these officers could provide some insights which us lesser mortals might not have?


So what? What insights? if you've had 10 jobs in the last 5 years, can they spin that? If your income is $2500 per month and you've been working at the same place for 10 years, can they spin that?

There is nothing they can put on your application that you did not provide them. If they did, they would be falsifying the information you provided them.

So, let's say you have 10 jobs in 5 years. You go to the immigration consultant who is an ex-ICA officer. He looks at your application. He says, "So many jobs, wah! Howzat? You carrot or sumting?"

So... you explain how it is you had so many jobs... it's a good reason... he writes it down... so why couldn't you just write it down?

Now, it may be that an ex-ICA officer might know the process and might know the checklist and weighting process. So what? Are you going to lie on your application to influence the evaluation and weighting process? No. So, what difference does it make if the immigration consultant knows the process?

Nobody knows exactly how ICA arrives at their choices. But, here's my guess.

  1. They know that they will grant X,XXX PR's to Indians this year. As time goes on, they know how many applications they will get. The more applications, the less chance you have of being approved.

  2. Every application gets a net score for their application. There are a whole list of factors that we don't know about on that list. Every factor gets a score from 1 to ZZZ. One or more officers score your application, your supporting documents, and the research that they have done on you.

  3. Factors are weighted against each other and the more important ones get more weight. So let's say that each factor gets scored from 1 to 10. But, a criminal record is important so it is weighted as 5 times as important as the fact that you gave blood.

  4. So, once done, every application by an Indian for PR has been scored. No doubt, there is some minimum score that you must achieve in order to get PR. You don't make that score, you go into the shitcan.

  5. Now, they see what score is necessary to reach the quota they set for Indians. If they got 5000 applications for 1000 spots, and 1000 people scored 800 or higher, they get PR. You scored 750? So sorry, tough shit... not enough points. But maybe the top 1000 people scored 700 or higher. Hurray! You scored 750. You get PR!

You see that the process is not in anyone's hands? Can you see that you can't really spin the fact situation, otherwise you would be lying? Can you see that you can explain circumstances that might make negative information look better in a different light? But can you see, the immigration consultant can't even do that unless you tell him about it?

So again... what insights can the immigration consultant provide?

But... do us all a favor. Contact them. Ask them why you should use them. Let us know what they say. I'd be very interested.
I have met a few consultants. They mentioned that since officers know what ICA is looking for, they can present our case better through cover letter and advising us on the additional documents we could produce to strengthen the case and thereby increase the score you talked about.

Having been an admissions consultant myself who gets people into international B schools (HBS, Wharton, INSEAD) I do feel that a good consultant who knows what the screener is looking for can definitely add value by structuring the cover letter well.

It is just hard for me to know whether the claimed ex ICA officer really knows his stuff or not.

I have read a lot of reviews on this forum as to why one should not go through an immigration consultant. And they make sense to me. However, I still want to know whether anyone been positively influenced by the use of a consultant? Thanks for sharing your experiences. (Please only those who have used the service, share your thoughts)

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Postby x9200 » Fri, 17 Aug 2018 6:34 am

Rahul1988 wrote:However, I still want to know whether anyone been positively influenced by the use of a consultant?

How would you be able to verify the PR application outcome as related to the consultant's work?

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Postby Rahul1988 » Fri, 17 Aug 2018 3:21 pm

x9200 wrote:
Rahul1988 wrote:However, I still want to know whether anyone been positively influenced by the use of a consultant?

How would you be able to verify the PR application outcome as related to the consultant's work?
I think possibly that is why i specifically asked people who have availed the service to ascertain whether consultant added value.

There is no objective way to verify that, just like there is no objective way for anyone on this forum to assume who could get approved or not ... everyone is sharing their best guess.

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