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ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby zegnaangelo » Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:39 pm

So what should I do now? LTVP? PR? Or just don't bother! :)

i do want to come back to work sometime (hopefully my daughter can go to school there perhaps)... immigration is ok now with e-IACS which means I can use the automated lanes... but unfortunately can't work or buy an HDB

FWIW, when i renounced, i knew there was no exception / special way back to get PR or Singapore citizenship (unlike most other countries which do give you some form of residency).. thought though it will be assessed under the prevailing policies at the time and considered on the own merits...

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby zegnaangelo » Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:47 pm

anyway, why is everyone fighting here?

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:43 am

zegnaangelo wrote:anyway, why is everyone fighting here?


I don't know if I'd call it a fight... and... the posters here are trying to ensure that you get accurate information, information that can help you make the right decision, information that doesn't get your hopes up because it is inaccurate.

Those moderators who have been on this board for a long time know the long history of Mad Scientist. When it comes to immigration and national service, this man's experience and understanding is second to none. He knows exactly where there is leeway and where the hammer comes down.

Contrast this to other well meaning people who take the time to research a topic in the hopes of providing you advice. They are perhaps helpful, perhaps not. They can challenge each other's interpretation of the research they have done.

The issue arises when they challenge Mad Scientist in this knowledge domain. Maybe if Mad Scientist is talking about how to prepare the best crepe, it's a free for all. But, those of us who know Mad Scientist also know his posts are spot on, and when other posters continue to insist that their positions are equally worthy... well... it just doesn't sit well.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:47 am

zegnaangelo wrote:FWIW, when i renounced, i knew there was no exception / special way back to get PR or Singapore citizenship (unlike most other countries which do give you some form of residency).. thought though it will be assessed under the prevailing policies at the time and considered on the own merits...


I don't think you are going to see much change in this area... maybe if and when Singapore starts talking about dual citizenship, there might be a conversation about regaining Singapore citizenship.

FWIW, the USA is exactly the same way. Once you renounce, you can never get your USA citizenship back. Moreoever, depending upon your reasons for renouncing and your tax status, you can also be permanently barred from entering the USA as a tourist.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby zegnaangelo » Tue, 08 Mar 2016 9:00 am

ok so let's take a step back now. seems there is some disagreement here and i am confused now...

With the facts of my case, is there any possibility of then going back to Singapore under:
1/ EP
2/ LTVP
3/ PR

if 1+2+3 not possible, that means i could be an exile forever :o

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 08 Mar 2016 9:09 am

zegnaangelo wrote:FWIW, when i renounced, i knew there was no exception / special way back to get PR or Singapore citizenship (unlike most other countries which do give you some form of residency).. thought though it will be assessed under the prevailing policies at the time and considered on the own merits...


Those countries that want former citizens to get privileges or allow others to 'buy' residency, are those which need the $ of the former citizens, though many may beg to differ.

India, Malaysia and Philippines comes to mind.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby x9200 » Tue, 08 Mar 2016 9:11 am

zegnaangelo wrote:ok so let's take a step back now. seems there is some disagreement here and i am confused now...

With the facts of my case, is there any possibility of then going back to Singapore under:
1/ EP
2/ LTVP
3/ PR

if 1+2+3 not possible, that means i could be an exile forever :o

EP seems possible. If you qualify of course.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:10 am

As you have exited Singapore properly, having done your own NS, etc. If you qualify in your own right for an EP like any other person trying to get a job here (you get no benefit from having been a citizen nor are any points taken away as far as I'm aware of). So if you qualify, you have an EP. ( and there ARE documented cases of Ex-Citizens here on EP's, In fact, I actually met one, strangely enough, via eBay. (I bought a NOS Saddleback Leather backpack from him.) He's now a Canadian but was currently here on an EP, having been sent here by his company in Canada.

However, PR is out of the question unless you are so up there that you are actually offered it to return by the government (not the other way around) regardless of what is written in the statutes (it their call, it's not a right/entitlement).

The LTVP, frankly is another kettle of fish due to the changes made in the past two or three years. I could see you possibly getting an LTVP and being allowed to work (if you can get an EP, why not, especially at your income level). However, I believe that would be as far as it would go. (But on hindsight, maybe LTVP might be pushing it as there are some subsidies (little but some) available to LTVP holders that might cross the line with ICA and the provision of benefits to an ex-Singaporean. So, I wouldn't really count on it. But as I said, it's a gray area at this point in time as I doubt that it's been tested as of yet.

In cases like yours, I just say if your want "you buys yer ticket and takes yer chances". My advice, get an EP if possible. If not, try for an LTVP but don't hold your breath waiting. If you get your EP and want to try for an LTVP, go ahead, but remember most LTVPs are renewable annually and they don't have to do so (there is not an real permanence there either but at least it's longer than the 30 days given at the end of an EP.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby BBCWatcher » Tue, 08 Mar 2016 3:25 pm

zegnaangelo wrote:anyway, why is everyone fighting here?

I have no idea (either). "Here's what the government says, and here's what I think" is quite sufficient and civil.

....Or a Personalised Employment Pass, as I mentioned, if you can pull up to at least S$18K/month where you are now in order to qualify. If you're granted a PEP you can then hunt for a job (even in Singapore, for a time), and you can stay on your PEP for up to 3 years as long as you're at or above S$12K/month (S$144K/calendar year, actually). Before that 3 year period ends you'd need to switch to a LTVP, EP (or other work pass), or PR to stay in Singapore.

Alternatively, if you arrive in Singapore with a EP, you can switch to a PEP if you're at the S$12K/month (S$144K/calendar year) or above level. The income requirement is higher if you're trying to go directly to a PEP from outside Singapore.


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