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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby singaporeflyer » Sat, 05 Mar 2016 9:13 pm

ricedoll wrote:My question is whether he can maintain his PR while working and living overseas? PR sponsored by spouse.


In the current situation, very unlikely if the SC who sponsored the PR is residing out of SG. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby kenreally » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 12:22 am

zegnaangelo, your PR application may be looked at favourably on the ground that your wife and daughter are both SCs. A job offer in Singapore may strengthen your application. Your wife having no income should not be a hinderance to her being your sponsor, except that ICA will likely require monetary security.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 12:42 am

Those are two important facts, so thank you for suggesting we look at the Constitution, acts, and regulations. Everything else in your post appears to be your personal opinion and/or speculation. Fair enough, but please note I have not offered a view on the probability of PR approval. I don't know who you're arguing with.


As has been pointed out to you several times by several people, what is written as "it can be done" does not mean it is done, but it is on the books in case the Government finds it advantageous to do so. As I pointed out before, the government almost always leaves themselves a backdoor if at all possible. Most of their statutes are written thus.

However, If one has not gotten anecdotal or otherwise published notice, or by some other means been made aware of it actually happening, then until it does, it's likely it won't at this point in time. Giving our readers hope that it may is just a red herring to try to impress people with your ability to copy & paste but it is just blowing smoke up their backsides. When you suggest something that you and the collective wisdom of this and other sites has never seen actually happen, you are building up hope against the virtually impossible. Most people, when coming here are at the clutching at straws stage anyway. Don't toss 'em a rock instead.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 5:16 am

@BBC I am not arguing with you . I am telling you not to give provide BS info,
You sound more like a broken record now.
My personal opinion or as you said "speculation" is on solid ground. Go and read all my posts and all is above board and the amount of infos for people wanting help that I have provide be it in the open or privately over 10 years in this forum.
If I am BSing like you I would have been put to a stop by the mods like you right now. This forum is not like any other forum you have been to. We do not provide baseless info when comes to dealing with the Gahmen
I will say black is black , White is white NOT grey

BTW you have not answered my questions on yourself
How you gather your info other than the internet ?
I have nothing to proof to you . You are on a dangerous path
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby BBCWatcher » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 8:28 am

OK, so that's two votes for a low probability of PR approval in these circumstances. Was it necessary to be rude? Just offer your opinion, well informed hopefully. "Here's what the government says, and here's what I think."

Everybody is pseudonymous. You don't know me, I don't know you (and don't particularly care to), and, most importantly, nobody knows the original poster's full background and circumstances. That's fine.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby x9200 » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 10:34 am

BBCWatcher wrote:Fair enough, but please note I have not offered a view on the probability of PR approval.

It's the same thing again. Like it or not this probability is critical so if you not offer such a view then what? (0 to 1) all good? Normally people do not advise on options of near zero likelihood to happen or if they do, they make it very clear. It may costs the other people time, money, sometimes a chance for something better and a lot of hopes. You are on this board long enough to see how different people are and that they come often with a lot of expectations. Managing these expectations is a part of the job for anyone who decided to respond.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby BBCWatcher » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 10:40 am

By the way, if the original poster can pull up from S$15,000 to a fixed monthly salary of S$18,000 or more then a fourth possible route back into Singapore is an overseas application for a Personalised Employment Pass.

Also, the original poster's wife can purchase a HDB resale leasehold together with the original poster if the original poster obtains any stay permission in Singapore: PR, LTVP(+), PEP, or EP. She is a citizen.

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Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 10:54 am

BBCWatcher wrote:Everybody is pseudonymous. You don't know me, I don't know you (and don't particularly care to), and, most importantly, nobody knows the original poster's full background and circumstances. That's fine.


So... be clear... at least a couple of mods know the history of Mad Scientist... a lot of his history... that he is even back posting on this board says something of his courage.

Quit being such a prick, BBCW... Mad Scientist knows infinitely more than you do on this subject... and for damn sure, his knowledge, unlike yours, is not solely academic, nor gleaned from Professor Google. He has had intimate experience with the Singapore gahmen.

No... you're not going to be able to search Mad Scientists posts... and there is a reason for that. You might really step back and take a look at your arrogant self... there are actually people that know more about some topics than you do.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby BBCWatcher » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 10:57 am

x9200 wrote:Like it or not this probability is critical so if you not offer such a view then what?

No, this really isn't "critical." There is no fee to put in a PR application, and secondary costs generally aren't significant. Even if they were, the original poster is living overseas and earning a great income. I don't see any harm in trying, and I presume the original poster is not going to do something foolish like sell his house and leave his job before a decision on his application.

I have also described alternative possible routes into Singapore if a PR application is unsuccessful.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby BBCWatcher » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 11:02 am

Strong Eagle wrote:Mad Scientist knows infinitely more than you do on this subject... He has had intimate experience with the Singapore gahmen.

It's amusing to me how "Donald Duck" purports to know the degree of expertise and experience of "Road Runner" v. "Charlie Chaplin." :D I am not so...arrogant to presume.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby x9200 » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 11:23 am

BBCWatcher wrote:
x9200 wrote:Like it or not this probability is critical so if you not offer such a view then what?

No, this really isn't "critical." There is no fee to put in a PR application, and secondary costs generally aren't significant. Even if they were, the original poster is living overseas and earning a great income. I don't see any harm in trying, and I presume the original poster is not going to do something foolish like sell his house and leave his job before a decision on his application

And this is of course a private thread other people will never see and will not make any conclusion based on it. And if they do, they would carefully asses their similarities to the OP's situation.

Besides, whether it is critical or not is painfully obvious for anyone with just a bit of practical reasoning. What sense does it make to provide an advice for something of the 1/10000000 likelihood to happen? It's simply useless.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 11:40 am

BBCWatcher wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:Mad Scientist knows infinitely more than you do on this subject... He has had intimate experience with the Singapore gahmen.

It's amusing to me how "Donald Duck" purports to know the degree of expertise and experience of "Road Runner" v. "Charlie Chaplin." :D I am not so...arrogant to presume.


As I said, you know nothing of Mad Scientist, and yet, would pretend to be his equal. Don't delude yourself.

On a personal note, you are clearly an intelligent and educated person, yet, each time I think I might want to reach out, you demonstrate, once again, that your elevated sense of self and your inflated view of the quality of your opinions you posit, make you a person worth tolerating, not embracing.

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby BBCWatcher » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 1:11 pm

x9200 wrote:What sense does it make to provide an advice for something of the 1/10000000 likelihood to happen?

OK, now we have a third individual's estimate of the original poster's probability of PR approval.

I'll disagree with your estimate for the simple fact that Singapore's entire population is about 5.5 million, approximately half the number of your denominator. I am highly confident ICA (and its predecessor agency) has/have not received anywhere near that number of overseas PR applications over Singapore's entire history, never mind applications from overseas ex-citizens married to citizens with citizen children who have served their full-time NS and who earn S$15,000 per month. In other words, there isn't enough historical evidence to estimate 1/10 million odds even if every PR application in these or similar circumstances has been rejected to date.

SMS's estimate ("99.99%" chance of rejection, i.e. 1/10000 approval rate) at least passes a basic mathematical and statistical sanity check.

So let's suppose for sake of argument SMS's estimate is correct. Is a 1/10000 chance of approval worth applying for PR, with no application fee? Only the original poster can answer that question for himself. Meanwhile, I offer no estimate other than "possible." Which is really the opposite of "arrogant," isn't it?

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby x9200 » Sun, 06 Mar 2016 2:10 pm

BBCWatcher wrote:
x9200 wrote:What sense does it make to provide an advice for something of the 1/10000000 likelihood to happen?

OK, now we have a third individual's estimate of the original poster's probability of PR approval.

I'll disagree with your estimate for the simple fact that Singapore's entire population is about 5.5 million, approximately half the number of your denominator. I am highly confident ICA (and its predecessor agency) has/have not received anywhere near that number of overseas PR applications over Singapore's entire history, never mind applications from overseas ex-citizens married to citizens with citizen children who have served their full-time NS and who earn S$15,000 per month. In other words, there isn't enough historical evidence to estimate 1/10 million odds even if every PR application in these or similar circumstances has been rejected to date.

SMS's estimate ("99.99%" chance of rejection, i.e. 1/10000 approval rate) at least passes a basic mathematical and statistical sanity check.

So let's suppose for sake of argument SMS's estimate is correct. Is a 1/10000 chance of approval worth applying for PR, with no application fee? Only the original poster can answer that question for himself. Meanwhile, I offer no estimate other than "possible." Which is really the opposite of "arrogant," isn't it?


The No I mentioned was just my response to your claim that the probability is not critical. It is. Always. Universally at least to advise on this or that option. This was an example to illustrate it. You are trying to deviate the conversation from something you just claimed and what defied any common sense. If it does not fit the original claim lets try to find a scenario where it may not work or take it out of the local context.

What you offer and what was already mentioned number of times not only by me, is nothing but false hopes. "Possible" doesn't translate in conversations like this to more then zero and up to 1 (0-1>. It translates to, "you have a chance, try it". People are not robots relying on absolute numbers but follow emotions and hopes. Ignoring it in the spirit you do it is actually pretty arrogant if you ask me (a figure of speech, not that I think you care).

Besides, just for a record, as you try to be such a skilled accountant, your calculations are also incorrect. Using your mechanistic logic it is formally possible to be outside Singapore and apply for PR not even visiting once Singapore, with no relatives and no formal bonds to the country. It is possible to apply using different names and passports. Likely? Not likely, but still possible. So restrictions to the country population only are not really justified.

Lastly, it is also possible that LHL or some other influential person decide for whatever reason, hey, it's Tuesday, let make 54 random PR applications accepted. Possible? Of course. Likely? Not really, but you only care about the first components so I wonder what stops you to include it.

(actually you contradicting yourself in your quoted post. On one hand you insist there is no evidence to estimate this or that, on the other this is what you actually do based on your unsupported expectations).

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Re: ex Singaporean husband w/ Singapore wife

Postby BBCWatcher » Mon, 07 Mar 2016 9:28 am

Bottom line: the government itself says it's possible, and the government gets to make the decision. Not any pseudonymous posters to random Internet fora.

Zegnaangelo, good luck, and please keep us posted.


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