Should we appeal for pr ?

[ecureilx]

This is so true. I actually volunteered when I first arrived on these shores all alone, but the only reason I did so was to find new friends, and friends I made. I didn't mention anything like that on my PR application. I also worked for a large local company, so all my best friends became and still are local. This all led me to a more natural assimilation into Singapore as opposed to an artificial self-serving one. I suspect Sundaymorningstaple was the same when he arrived on these shores and started putting it about a bit in those days

So did I, I joined some volunteer group, to know people outside work. And 15+ years later, they are still good friend

[sundaymorningstaple]

[Leannemarie]

That's what we intend to do in case the EP goes off

Caution on that: It can take about 6 months to get a LTVP decision for a foreign spouse. If an EP "goes off" that starts a 30 day clock to get out of Singapore.
As far as i know LTVP still cant work under letter of consent. Unless they will grant you LTVP + then the company can apply for letter of consent. This is base on my experience
Singaporeflyer: I think the concern you raise was merited back when LTVP holders couldn't work in Singapore. Yes, back then an EP holder would look more attractive than a LTVP holder, other things being equal. But that changed fairly recently. Both LTVP and LTVP+ holders can now work with Letters of Consent, so the employment and income characteristics ICA has to consider are the same (or could even be better since a job change becomes somewhat easier). Or did you have something else in mind?

[ecureilx]

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Your quotes need to be fixed.

[zinc32]

Ok , our situation just got worse ... They rejected my sons pr as well . Well what can be said now .. They wouldn't let us get our roots here I wonder what could have made them arrive at such a situation


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[BBCWatcher]

Ok , our situation just got worse ... They rejected my sons pr as well .

Your situation got "no better," actually. The status quo remains the status quo. I'm sorry to hear that.

Looking on the bright side, your son won't be subject to compulsory national service just yet.

What are you thinking now, or is it too soon to say? Also on the bright side, you have stable immigration status in Singapore, and presumably LTVPs are available (or secured) for your son and husband. The only issue is that your husband and son do not yet enjoy the few benefits that only PRs enjoy. And that's of course disappointing. But is it a "deal killer"?

[zinc32]

It's honestly very disappointing .. As this decision totally discounts my existence as a pr here for close to a decade and doesn't give my family the confidence to call this place our home as yet ... Time will tell how the situation goes


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[BBCWatcher]

It's honestly very disappointing ..

I can understand that.

As this decision totally discounts my existence as a pr here for close to a decade and doesn't give my family the confidence to call this place our home as yet ...

Well, it doesn't do that. Only PRs and citizens can sponsor family members for LTVP(+)s -- nobody else can do that. The only thing this decision means is that your son won't yet enjoy the few (and shrinking) benefits that PRs enjoy, and likewise he won't yet be subject to the (increasing) obligations that PRs have. I wouldn't over-interpret this decision. Excluding tourists and other visitors, there are about 1.63 million de facto residents of Singapore who are neither PRs nor citizens -- about 29.5% of this little country's population. Many if not most of them have precarious immigration statuses.

OK, so the PR benefits are elusive, for now anyway. Which really boil down to money, I'd say. (That's oversimplifying things a bit, but I think it's a fair oversimplification.) Is the money a deal breaker? You certainly don't have to answer that question or even think about it now, much less tell any of us what the answer is. But that's how I'd approach this decision, for what it's worth.

[sundaymorningstaple]

zinc32,

Go back and read my 3rd post in this thread and see if it now makes any more sense....

http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/viewto ... 58#p742158

Sorry it didn't turn out better, we keep hoping but instead we keep getting our prognosis' re-confirmed.

[zinc32]

Hi sms , yes read it . I thought that atleast with a son they might look at it differently esp
With the NS but it
Doesn't look to be the case






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[zinc32]

One quick question , can I apply for spouse LTVP while he is still on EP ? Will it contradict . Understand that once LTVP is approved and card issued the EP will stand cancelled anyhow my spouse may leave the job before that so want to go ahead and apply so that we don't end up in a situation without valid visa


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[BBCWatcher]

Yes, you can.

If/when the LTVP is approved, and if he's not then ready to leave his job, his employer can apply for a Letter of Consent to continue employing him. If they do everything online the switchover should be relatively fast.