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Rejected PR, is it a deny of entry/visa/permit?

Postby LJoietn » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 9:46 am

If my Singapore PR application is rejected. Does it mean that I have been

1) denied an entry?
2) denied a visa?
3) denied a permit?

I ask these questions because they are very common in other countries' visa applications. Please share some knowledge :)
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Re: Rejected PR, don't know who to answer these questions

Postby nakatago » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 9:53 am

1. No
2. No
3. No

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Re: Rejected PR, don't know who to answer these questions

Postby LJoietn » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 10:01 am

@nakatago: in most countries that I know, PR is a visa. Why are you so certain in this case? Is it in Singapore they look at it differently? I'm just curious to know more. Thanks.

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Re: Rejected PR, don't know who to answer these questions

Postby x9200 » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 10:58 am

SG PR is not a visa. It is a status. He is certain because he knows what the SG PR is. A visa is something that (among other things) permits you an entry. PR alone does not.

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Re: Rejected PR, don't know who to answer these questions

Postby nakatago » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:00 am

LJoietn wrote:@nakatago: in most countries that I know, PR is a visa. Why are you so certain in this case? Is it in Singapore they look at it differently? I'm just curious to know more. Thanks.


Those questions are mostly to find out if you have been refused to enter a country (in this case, Singapore) and should they have a reason to do the same.

I'm assuming you're already in Singapore.

I've been rejected for Singapore PR before; never had to bring it up when I apply for visas in other countries.

Singapore PR is a status.

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Re: Rejected PR, don't know who to answer these questions

Postby LJoietn » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:10 am

If you look at at SPR application form. At the top of the headline, it says:
"This application is for an Entry Permit under ..."

Would you be able to point out where it says "Singapore PR is a status"?

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Re: Rejected PR, don't know who to answer these questions

Postby x9200 » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:23 am

You may hold PR without (re)entry permit, live and work in SG without the (re)entry permit, all this as long as you don't leave SG. But you will never get the (re)entry permit if you are not granted the PR. Simply it goes all together but the order is as I said, and again, it's about the residential status.

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Re: Rejected PR, don't know who to answer these questions

Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:27 am

LJoietn wrote:@nakatago: in most countries that I know, PR is a visa. Why are you so certain in this case? Is it in Singapore they look at it differently? I'm just curious to know more. Thanks.


PR is not just a visa. If you are accepted as PR it means you can legally stay in Singapore without being tied to an employer. If you are rejected, then you cannot be in Singapore without having an employer sponsored work permit.

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Re: Rejected PR, don't know who to answer these questions

Postby LJoietn » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:37 am

Let's focus on the SPR application form itself. It says that:
"This application is for an Entry Permit under Regulation 4 of the Immigration Regulations"

PR might be a status. But I think when you fill in this form, technically you are applying for an Entry Permit. In which, if your application is refused, you are refused this permit.

Please contribute more for this point.

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Re: Rejected PR, don't know who to answer these questions

Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 12:37 pm

LJoietn wrote:Let's focus on the SPR application form itself. It says that:
"This application is for an Entry Permit under Regulation 4 of the Immigration Regulations"

PR might be a status. But I think when you fill in this form, technically you are applying for an Entry Permit. In which, if your application is refused, you are refused this permit.

Please contribute more for this point.


How thick are you? Very thick, I think. You are applying for Permanent Residency. If you succeed, you will be able to obtain a re-entry permit. So no... "technically", you are not applying for a re-entry permit. You are applying to stay in Singapore PERMANENTLY... which you can do regardless of your REP status... so long as you never leave Singapore.

Anyone who has PR (and I do) knows how it works, your inane reading of the statutes notwithstanding.

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Re: Rejected PR, is it a deny of entry/visa/permit?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 12:57 pm

^^This!

Having said that, LJoietn's life must be really, really hard.

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Re: Rejected PR, is it a deny of entry/visa/permit?

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 12:58 pm

For the record, LJoietn, I stayed in Singapore for 15 months as a PR without a Re-entry Permit. Thereby proving that PR is a status and not a visa.

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Re: Rejected PR, is it a deny of entry/visa/permit?

Postby x9200 » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 1:27 pm

OP. don't waste your and more importantly ICA time as you surely not going to get the PR.

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Re: Rejected PR, is it a deny of entry/visa/permit?

Postby LJoietn » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 1:30 pm

Please guys. I'm making a valid question here and I'm not trying to do anything funny.
When you apply for SPR for the first time, in the SPR application form it mentions very clearly:

"I hereby make an application for the grant of an Entry Permit under Regulation 4 of the Immigration Regulations".

Anyone criticizing me, please have a look at the form. If your application fails, the Entry Permit is not granted to you.

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Re: Rejected PR, is it a deny of entry/visa/permit?

Postby PNGMK » Tue, 02 Feb 2016 2:43 pm

And that's what is means - you may be denied an entry permit for permanent residency. It doesn't mean you will be denied a social visit pass or other form of visa.
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