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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby ecureilx » Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:38 pm

JR8 wrote:p.s. It's often interesting reading articles by learned Indian writers as they use English words that I'm unfamiliar with. 'Ressentiment', and so on. Fascinating, at first I thought it was a typo :)...


Well, when an Indian Air Force team had gone to UK for some joint exercise, the Brits had gone like 'man, the Indians are more English than English ..' .. as the Indians had been doggedly sticking with things that had gone out of the Window in the UK.

I have a new Indian colleague, who admonished a few of us for 'crappy english', all because some of us forget to put a full stop at the end of a paragraph.

And he dropped a word, which too god me baffled, "BESPEAKING" ..

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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby JR8 » Fri, 13 Nov 2015 11:12 pm

Hahaha... at times it sounds 'archaic' to the British ear, but when you look up what some of the alien but English-sounding words might mean, they're are brilliant. Highly enriching :)

p.s. don't get me going on about 'suitings and shirtings' :-D
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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby ecureilx » Sat, 14 Nov 2015 12:57 am

JR8 wrote:Hahaha... at times it sounds 'archaic' to the British ear, but when you look up what some of the alien but English-sounding words might mean, they're are brilliant. Highly enriching :)

p.s. don't get me going on about 'suitings and shirtings' :-D


You meant like this ?? :p

Reliance Industries Ltd. (Textile Division) is India's largest manufacturer-exporter of Suiting fabrics and has expanded its production capacity to over 20 million meters per year.

http://onlyvimal.co.in/fabrics.php
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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby JR8 » Sat, 14 Nov 2015 1:17 am

Quite. No one in England would know what suiting is, never mind ressentiment.
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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby ecureilx » Sat, 14 Nov 2015 5:26 am

Meanwhile, in Wembley ..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3317137/Modi-s-come-Wembley-Tens-thousands-Indians-arrive-prime-minister-s-big-speech-fireworks-extravaganza.html?ito=social-facebook

Words used to describe Modi include "divisive figure", "controversial figure .. " ..

Whatever it maybe, he won the election and has the mandate .. so I can't see what's the agenda of DM !

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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby JR8 » Sat, 14 Nov 2015 8:39 pm

I found the article very positive. I don't think those two words you quote are unwarranted; because as mentioned previously he has something of a reputation for being divisive and controversial. Nowhere does the article mention or question anything re: him democratically winning office.

So, I think you're being over-sensitive in this case. Remember, the Mail is a 'tabloid', where drama and exaggeration sell copies. That said, I found it overall a fair, balanced, even supportive position they have taken. Now if you could find similar articles from the broad-sheets (Telegraph, Times, Guardian, FT) that might be interesting to compare. But most of them have $-to-access these days...
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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby ecureilx » Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:03 pm

I am not bothered about DMs position but was a bit amused at their choice of words :)

On the other hand, if I may be allowed to say it, I find it more amusing the extent Cameron and Co goes, to woo India...

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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby JR8 » Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:26 pm

Sure, but then if you wish to stereotype the typical reader of the Daily Mail, then it's a middle-class, middle aged, Conservative voting house-wife with an educated a rich husband - who odds on really enjoys an M+S 'British' curry but probably has never been to India :) The tabloidy nature comes over in the way some of their content is a little over-dramatised; intentionally to flick the triggers of such a readership. Plus lots on fashion, relationships, dieting, the Kardashians and so on of course :)

The Mail is a tabloid but has a broadly educated and worldly enough readership, as evidenced by Modi even getting mentioned. I expect most of the other tabloids don't give a damn, since their readership won't know who he is nor care.

For the broadsheets, the Guardian and Independent [phht!] will come at the story from a left-wing angle. The Times a middling but always self-interested vs Murdoch angle, and the Telegraph middling to slightly Conservative/right.

I think Cameron is (on balance) ok wooing Modi, as no doubt India is a big player, and enhanced trade ties make sense. But keep in mind it's probably likely less about India itself, and trade deals, than about Cameron ultra-wooing the sizeable British Sub-Con vote in England.
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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:46 am

@JR8 Maybe this is the article you are after. It is written by a former scribe at the Daily Telegraph.

http://www.politico.eu/article/modi-and ... t-wembley/

On the subject of Indian English, there used to be an article that used to appear in the Deccan Herald on Sundays on the proper usage of British English, I used to enjoy reading that a lot. My grandfather was another large resource of English words I had never heard of. All he did everyday was sit in a corner and do the crossword over a cup of coffee.
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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby JR8 » Sun, 15 Nov 2015 5:59 pm

Thanks RATM, that article has the depth to convey some feel beneath the events.
It's quite extraordinary, a politician drawing a foreign crowd that even a rock-star would envy.
I can't think of another similar event where the star whips up patriotism for a country the audience have historic (rather than direct/personal) roots in.

Hehehe... that said, there are some similarities with SGs 'Contact Singapore' global touring roadshow; nostalgic heart-string twanging music, dance, comedy, F+B, goody-bags. They're pitched at coaxing overseas SGns home. So I'm left rather wondering why Modi is doing such a comprehensive job on selling himself and India to a foreign audience. He can't be expecting to coax them to move there.

And again I'm surprised that SG allowed him to lead a similar event there. What's in it for them? I can't see the gahmen having a need to woo the 'Sub-Con' vote... hmmm.
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Re: RE: Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby Wd40 » Sun, 15 Nov 2015 8:39 pm

JR8 wrote: So I'm left rather wondering why Modi is doing such a comprehensive job on selling himself and India to a foreign audience. He can't be expecting to coax them to move there.

And again I'm surprised that SG allowed him to lead a similar event there. What's in it for them? I can't see the gahmen having a need to woo the 'Sub-Con' vote... hmmm.








He is not coaxing them(or rather us ;) ) to come back. In fact he said the opposite, when he was addressing NRIs in the US. He said India will be the biggest exporter of skilled labor to the world. Why he wants to have rallies like these? My guess is:



He wants overseas Indians to remain connected to India. Keep sending remittances and invest in India.



He has in fact made it easier for Indians who have surrendered their passports, to get almost dual citizenship like visa facility.

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/9hUDUXl ... ances.html

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Postby ecureilx » Sun, 15 Nov 2015 10:56 pm

Wd40 wrote:He wants overseas Indians to remain connected to India. Keep sending remittances and invest in India.


Am too of the belief it's all about money ... and billions of it ...

BTW Modi didn't introduce PIO and OCI.

It was by the previous regimes ... though the complicated bureaucracy is still there ....

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Postby Wd40 » Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:12 pm

ecureilx wrote:
Wd40 wrote:He wants overseas Indians to remain connected to India. Keep sending remittances and invest in India.


Am too of the belief it's all about money ... and billions of it ...

BTW Modi didn't introduce PIO and OCI.

It was by the previous regimes ... though the complicated bureaucracy is still there ....


Yeah he is just combining both the schemes and making it easier.





http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... rd-holders

This is exactly what NRIs want a foreign passport and the flexibility to live in India as a back up or for retirement.

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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby JR8 » Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:15 am

OhhhIC! That was the missing piece of the jigsaw. So it's less about preaching politics to foreign audiences, and more a case of 'follow the money'.

Most interesting, thanks!
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Postby TMD » Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:43 pm

Wd40 wrote:
ecureilx wrote:
Wd40 wrote:He wants overseas Indians to remain connected to India. Keep sending remittances and invest in India.

Am too of the belief it's all about money ... and billions of it ...
BTW Modi didn't introduce PIO and OCI.
It was by the previous regimes ... though the complicated bureaucracy is still there ....

Yeah he is just combining both the schemes and making it easier.
http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... rd-holders
This is exactly what NRIs want a foreign passport and the flexibility to live in India as a back up or for retirement.


I can see Gandhi still has good marketing value in the eyes of the BJP leader... :wink:

"Just like Mahatma Gandhi made freedom struggle a national movement, we have to make development and progress a people's movement. 1.25 billion people should work for the betterment of India," Modi urged. "I am sure that now an atmosphere has been created where every Indian wants go work for the nation," Modi said.

"Like you, Mahatma Gandhi was an NRI. I implore you to do something in your capacity for the country," Modi exhorted.


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