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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby Barnsley » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 9:34 am

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We don't see leaders of western countries running around trying to curry favour with their former citizens so why do we see Asian country leaders doing it? That is my point and my question.


Putin used the same rhetoric for Crimea/Ukraine and soon to come baltic States.

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Re: RE: Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby TMD » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:26 am

nakatago wrote:
TMD wrote:So let's keep the discussion within the Topic.


Yeah, good luck with that. And I'm a moderator.


Meaning ? That as a Mod, you are prepared to allow off-topic comments be made in this Forum ?! :shock:

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Re: RE: Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby bgd » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 10:39 am

TMD wrote:
nakatago wrote:
TMD wrote:So let's keep the discussion within the Topic.


Yeah, good luck with that. And I'm a moderator.


Meaning ? That as a Mod, you are prepared to allow off-topic comments be made in this Forum ?! :shock:


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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby TMD » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:08 am

PNGMK wrote:
TMD wrote:
PNGMK wrote:this reminds me of the Chinese govt expressing concern about the Malaysian citizens of Chinese ancestry in Malaysia during the last Bersih riots.... like what the f...k? The last thing Malaysian Chinese want is the Chinese govt claiming their diaspora are still Chinese... cause they've been trying to deny that for generations already.


For the benefit of the discussion, please do not equate what has happened in KL's Petaling street with that of Modi's oversea roadshows.

Both are entirely unrelated in forms, purpose and intend.


Who died and made you boss? OH AND THE TOPICS are extremely related.

We don't see leaders of western countries running around trying to curry favour with their former citizens so why do we see Asian country leaders doing it? That is my point and my question.


Simple. No one die nor anyone has himself-made boss here. Trying to keep this simple:

1) You have confused Malaysia's Bersih "riots" (it was a peaceful protest) with the Red Shirt counter protest (which itself is widely acknowledged to be racial and violent tendency)

2) Modi's rock-concert style talk shows are on large scale organised event sponsored by the Indian gov and package as part of his overseas state visits. While the visit by the PRC ambassador to Petaling St was conducted once-off during a cultural festival without any arranged stage speech and an obvious responds to the open threatening nature of the Red Shirt protestors massing at the KL Chinatown.

3) Modi's events seems to target overseas Indian nationals rather than folks the visited country's South-Asian origin. He wants those overseas Indian to return and contribute to his economic plan. In the Petaling visit case, the Chinese ambassador was very explicit in showing his support for the LOCAL ethnic Chinese businesses and acknowledging their contribution to Malaysia, not China.

In short, I am just trying to point out that here are more differences than some of you seems to accept between the 2 cases. By using racial-tinted perspective in your attempted comparison with the Petaling St visit do not do justice to this Threat which should be about Modi and his well-funded overseas promotional "tour" to sell India Inc.

How is one to claim both are "extremely related" is really beyond any rational argument.

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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:22 am

this isn't school dude, a thread can have different parallel conversations running, some related to the main topic and in many cases there's often a tangent developing in the discussion. right now you seem to be headed in that direction TMD.

Anyback on original topics aka Modi: nearly everywhere he's gone it has been like a traveling circus, dances, themes , painters, its a charade.. and back home people are being oppressed more than ever before.
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Re: RE: Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby TMD » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:28 am

ecureilx wrote:Back on the subject, well, China's attempt to show 'sympathy' for the Chinese in Malaysia has some deep lessons, and has a loud echo as to what Singapore maybe trying to avoid, vis-a-vis Modi and Indians in Singapore.

In Singapore's context, it's about Modi exploiting the feel-good-factor I guess, which may set off other unexpected repercussions in 'Incident free' Singapore !


Correction:

The visit by the PRC ambassador is NOT driven by "sympathy", but rather a reaction to the open threat made by racially charged Red Shirt protest in Sep. More importantly, it is also a message to all, especially to the KL gov, that all parties to step back and take necessary measure to prevent another May-13 event.
Hence I am rather surprised some folks here choose to ignore that fact and insist in relating this to another Modi-like win overseas-Chinese attempt.

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Re: RE: Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby ecureilx » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:37 am

TMD wrote:3) Modi's events seems to target overseas Indian nationals rather than folks the visited country's South-Asian origin. He wants those overseas Indian to return and contribute to his economic plan. .


You gotta go out and smell the air.

As of now, Modi's disciples have been doing more than embracing the NRIs.

To be clear, a few have started yelling "you are with us or you are with the anti Indians, there's two middle ground ... "


TMD wrote: In the visit case, the Chinese ambassador was very explicit in showing his support for the LOCAL ethnic Chinese businesses and acknowledging their contribution to Malaysia, not China.
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So sweet, just like how China built the artificial islands in West Philippine Sea, for "humanitarian" purposes.

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Re: RE: Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby TMD » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:05 pm

ecureilx wrote:
TMD wrote:3) Modi's events seems to target overseas Indian nationals rather than folks the visited country's South-Asian origin. He wants those overseas Indian to return and contribute to his economic plan. .


You gotta go out and smell the air. As of now, Modi's disciples have been doing more than embracing the NRIs. To be clear, a few have started yelling "you are with us or you are with the anti Indians, there's two middle ground ... "
So sweet, just like how China built the artificial islands in West Philippine Sea, for "humanitarian" purposes.


Is true about India's today ? That growing intolerance between different caste, sects, communities and belief ? Just to be clear, are you saying Modi' "disciples" are one of those responsible for today's intolerance ?

Reason I ask is the last time I read about Indian and its tolerance, it seems that the system under Modi has gone from bad to worst with the growing institutionalization of religious belief in a supposed democratic nation. (beef, cow, not counting the past record of Modi that led to ban from US)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... -tolerance

Now, if I am to take account of the online publicity campaign Modi's team has been wagging in the West and now in Singapore (http://namoinsingapore.org/aboutNamo.php) and compared to what is really going on in India today, which one should I believe ?

Anyone ?

(PS: Thanks for trying your bait with the SCS dispute) :wink:

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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby TMD » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:11 pm

rajagainstthemachine wrote:this isn't school dude, a thread can have different parallel conversations running, some related to the main topic and in many cases there's often a tangent developing in the discussion. right now you seem to be headed in that direction TMD.
Anyback on original topics aka Modi: nearly everywhere he's gone it has been like a traveling circus, dances, themes , painters, its a charade.. and back home people are being oppressed more than ever before.


Raj,

No, certainly this ain't school. I was just trying to keep this discussion focused and if possible prevent this from becoming another excuse to bash "something else I don't like".

Yet, it seems some Mod disagree with me, and I am all game...which obviously you have now noticed the "direction" or trajectory this Thread is heading...

Sad, but it wasn't my call.

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby ecureilx » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:35 pm

TMD wrote:Reason I ask is the last time I read about Indian and its tolerance, it seems that the system under Modi has gone from bad to worst with the growing institutionalization of religious belief in a supposed democratic nation. (beef, cow, not counting the past record of Modi that led to ban from US)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... -tolerance:


Its not gotten bad. It's just it's getting more publicity thanks to the "Modi is bad for India" camp ...

In fact, Modi, from what bits I know, isn't intolerant, but his followers have grown more vocal. And the anti Modi media is hyping it up.

Bait ? What's that ???

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Re: RE: Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:43 pm

TMD wrote:Is true about India's today ? That growing intolerance between different caste, sects, communities and belief ? Just to be clear, are you saying Modi' "disciples" are one of those responsible for today's intolerance ?

Reason I ask is the last time I read about Indian and its tolerance, it seems that the system under Modi has gone from bad to worst with the growing institutionalization of religious belief in a supposed democratic nation. (beef, cow, not counting the past record of Modi that led to ban from US)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... -tolerance

Now, if I am to take account of the online publicity campaign Modi's team has been wagging in the West and now in Singapore (http://namoinsingapore.org/aboutNamo.php) and compared to what is really going on in India today, which one should I believe ?
Anyone ?

(PS: Thanks for trying your bait with the SCS dispute) :wink:


The trouble is his party the BJP and all the sister organizations under it like the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, the Bajrang Dal, the ABVP, the Shiv Sena, RSS among others are all mostly radical right wing parties with a highly polarized upper caste hindu agenda.
Their primary agenda is to create a country where non hindus live in fear and oppression and want to put them in their places.
Many of these outfits are made of goons largely young unemployed males who go around provoking,intimidating non hindu people, admonishing youngsters for public show of affection, ruining things like valentine's day, storming events that they think doesn't align with their interpretation of hindu culture.
Now Modi himself while he's trying to project himself as messiah he can't really do anything about what these outfits are doing as they all have the blessings of the ruling party, the BJP.
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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:49 pm

TMD.

For the record, there is only ONE moderated forum on this board. That is a subforum of the General Forum. Any other forum on this board has a life of it's own and only get moderated for troll attacks, racist baiting, vulgar language that makes it pass the inbuilt censors and advertisers/solicitors and not much else. As for moderators, this board is different as all moderators here were and still are regular users who only put on the moderator's cap when it's needed. Usually you can tell when that happens by the sign of, colour of the text or some other openly visible sign that it has happened. Moderators here are not employees, but we donate considerable amounts of time to this board (you can look at the number of posts and join dates). Additionally, membership ebbs and flows with the ebbing and flowing of the Expat community here. We've been the number one expat forum in Singapore for the last 5 years or so, therefore, I don't think a few disgruntled folks who cannot stand the heat in the kitchen and leave the premises is going to do much damage.

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Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby PNGMK » Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:51 pm

Screw the nationalists/fascists of all counts. FYI I don't count Russian's as 'westerners'. TMD = Too Much Drama.

China/Russia/India and a bunch of others are walking down a path some of us (and our parents / grandparents) have seen before. It ends in disaster.
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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Singapore restricts its citizens of Indian origin from attending Modi's event

Postby TMD » Sun, 08 Nov 2015 5:29 am

ecureilx wrote:
TMD wrote:Reason I ask is the last time I read about Indian and its tolerance, it seems that the system under Modi has gone from bad to worst with the growing institutionalization of religious belief in a supposed democratic nation. (beef, cow, not counting the past record of Modi that led to ban from US)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... -tolerance:


Its not gotten bad. It's just it's getting more publicity thanks to the "Modi is bad for India" camp ...
In fact, Modi, from what bits I know, isn't intolerant, but his followers have grown more vocal. And the anti Modi media is hyping it up.


"anti-Modi" media hype? Do u consider CNN as one of them ?

Is India becoming intolerant? By Ravi Agrawal
"..It seems barely a day goes by without a BJP politician putting a foot in his mouth with statements that inflame an already volatile debate....Modi would do well to remember Gandhi's words, and not feel bound by either of the two theories being used to explain his silence. Tolerance is important not only to harmony within the country, but also to India's considerable soft power abroad.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/opini ... index.html

Bait ? What's that ???

You should refer to your previous posting.


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