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Re: RE: Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby TMD » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 3:42 pm

ecureilx wrote:So, say I am Russia, I shoot down an F18, and then I can take the FDR and learn all about the performance and data of the F18 ?
or vice versa, when a Russian Su gets shot down, the Americans can gleefully learn all about the Su ?
So it is Like in the case of KAL 007, where the Russians downloaded the FDR/CVR and knew all about the flight. That's what I meant by Standards. What you are quoting are not FDR, per se, in Civil terms. If fighters started carrying FDRs, they are not gonna be 'open source', that's my bet. So in this case, Russian will decipher what their plane supposedly did, and give cooked transcripts to the rest of the world - Just get Real man !!!!!


In the nutshell, you reverse your stance questioning the existence of FDR in combat jets to now talking about "open source" data. Com'on man, I am being giving you photos and e.gs to which you now cannot deny.

How "real" can you get ?

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Re: RE: Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby JR8 » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 4:04 pm

TMD wrote:
JR8 wrote: Lol - sure, Putin is all for giving away state secrets...
Putin already knows precisely what data is in these things; he probably put it there himself. So, what might they show, that the planes spent the day at Disneyland?


Are those comments an opinion or factual ?


Entirely factual, of course.

It's quite amusing to see the chinks in Putin's desperate cover up. On the same day (no less) he says he wants the [alleged] black-boxes to only be opened in front of an international panel of experts, his own state media mouthpiece report that he's already had then opened.

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And note now how Putin is using this incident to 'occupy' the air-space of much of the Near-East.

'How is Russia protecting its military in Syria, post-Su-24?
December 1, 2015 Tatyana Rusakova, RBTH
Following the recent incident in which Turkey shot down a Russian bomber, Russia has now deployed its Triumph S-400 anti-aircraft missile system in Syria.
... Given the S-400's range, practically all of Syrian airspace will be under control – as well as part of Turkey, Cyprus, the eastern Mediterranean and Israel.'

http://rbth.com/defence/2015/11/30/how- ... -24_546031
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Re: RE: Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 4:39 pm

TMD wrote:In the nutshell, you reverse your stance questioning the existence of FDR in combat jets to now talking about "open source" data. Com'on man, I am being giving you photos and e.gs to which you now cannot deny.


pardon my language, I asked if Russians can Read American FDRs on Fighters and vice versa, when I said 'open source', I didn't mean Open Source like Open Source software.

Ok, Now I totally got it, The Russian will let the Brits open up the Sukhoi's FDR and CVR and the Brits will be able to read it using their own tools and understand what happened.

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Re: RE: Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby TMD » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 5:05 pm

ecureilx wrote:
TMD wrote:In the nutshell, you reverse your stance questioning the existence of FDR in combat jets to now talking about "open source" data. Com'on man, I am being giving you photos and e.gs to which you now cannot deny.


pardon my language, I asked if Russians can Read American FDRs on Fighters and vice versa, when I said 'open source', I didn't mean Open Source like Open Source software.Ok, Now I totally got it, The Russian will let the Brits open up the Sukhoi's FDR and CVR and the Brits will be able to read it using their own tools and understand what happened.


Your reply avoided the fact that now you acknowledge FDR exist in combat jets vs what was asserted by you only hours ago.

Whether or not the Russian, US or Brit reading devices are compatible isn't the point of this debate.

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Re: RE: Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby JR8 » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 5:14 pm

TMD wrote: Whether or not the Russian, US or Brit reading devices are compatible isn't the point of this debate.


IMO the point of the debate is that the Russian jet crossed Turkish airspace, but the Russians will do anything required to fake evidence suggesting that that is untrue.
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Re: RE: Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby TMD » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 5:37 pm

JR8 wrote:
TMD wrote: Whether or not the Russian, US or Brit reading devices are compatible isn't the point of this debate.


IMO the point of the debate is that the Russian jet crossed Turkish airspace, but the Russians will do anything required to fake evidence suggesting that that is untrue.


What an oxymoron statement:
What's the point of having a "debate" when one past own verdict ?

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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby JR8 » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 5:58 pm

You attempted to redefine the question and hence shift the debate... so I just took it back to the only fact that actually matters. Breach foreign airspace [something the Russians routinely do] -> get shot down: Simple really.

I appreciate that Putin, who thrives upon a self-created image of him wrestling lions before breakfast, has an image/ego problem with that. I wonder if his own journalist who outed that the [alleged] 'black-box' has already been opened has been shipped off to a Siberian salt-mine yet...
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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby Eltonios » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:59 pm

I read you and marvel at how much you zombified Western propaganda.
JR8, ecureilx, x9200, this forum users has 100% bias towards Russia, Putin.

You are trying to suspect Russia of something bad. Blame, without any objective evidence. At the same time completely ignoring the other side. Turks allegedly accusing Russia of violating its border themselves constantly violate the border of Greece, and Syria.

Barnsley, It is ridiculous. Where such conviction that all the money invested in weapons? This mildly perverse. Visit Russia, look with your own eyes, ask people personally about their quality of life. And of course, you can find out for yourself how the budget is spent, in what areas of finances are spent, which government programs and projects funded.

ecureilx, You Russian military expert? How can you argue rarely or no Russian planes bombers carry a black box?!

Before you talk about the forgery of flight recorder data, wait until its official opening.

My opinion is that some of the parameters and the technical aspects of this device, eliminate fake data. Then again, perhaps in Singapore or in another country can be faked, as well as their military aircraft do not carry FDR.

TMD, If the New York Times would publish the whole truth about the Crimea, the referendum, as was done for example, a little-known journalists Anna News (on YouTube), there would be no such issues in the forums. You do not forget, NYT, CNN, Fox News, etc. are American newspaper, TV. They give just the right news to the US government. Sometimes I watch, read what they write about Russia, and wonder how you can believe in such a lie. Many people believe a word, without checking, without analyzing.

With the Malaysian downed aircraft, it is obvious that the Ukrainians had been shot down. There have already been provided a lot of evidence about BUK missile launch from the territory of Ukraine. In addition, rockets were fired at the plane of the old sample, which were adopted only in Ukraine. Russia has long since adopted a more modernized system. All these data, evidence was provided by the Russian side to the same Dutch, who apparently frightened by the US, if they say excess.

JR8, Defense military bases, aircraft, army, you call the occupation? Lol, you're confusing concepts. The Turks did mean. Therefore, in Syria the Russian military base was deployed SAM system S-400. And it is right. Now the trick will not work with the alleged violation of the border. All those who would threaten our military will be destroyed.

By the way, why the international community, rather than to seek out "sin" Putin does not pay attention to the fact that the US, France, England, and are bombing in Syria without the permission of the current authorities of the country? Moreover, they call even insist on the overthrow of the Syrian president. Who are they to dictate to other countries what should be their president? This is not written either CNN or The New York Times. And people do not set such a question. For them, this chaos the norm, because blindly believe in the imposed Western propaganda lies.

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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby JR8 » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:19 pm

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p.s. You accuse me of being pro-Russian? :o :lol: I think Putin's more bonkers and desperate than Kim Jong-Un, and for similar reasons I have no interest in visiting either country.
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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby Eltonios » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:37 pm

JR8, No. If I defend Russia's interests, why should I blame you this?!
Of course you did not visit. Because all your conceived myths crumble.
Continue to post pictures and believe the evil Putin!

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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby JR8 » Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:42 pm

You appear confused. What did I say that makes you think I believe Putin?
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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby Eltonios » Fri, 11 Dec 2015 1:50 am

JR8 wrote:You accuse me of being pro-Russian?


Have I understood you correctly, you asked me if I accuse you pro-Russian? If you were so, why should I blame?

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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby JR8 » Fri, 11 Dec 2015 2:55 am

The conversation might be simpler, if I had a clue what you're talking about.

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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby x9200 » Fri, 11 Dec 2015 4:54 am

Eltonios wrote:Of course you did not visit. Because all your conceived myths crumble.

If this is such a land of joy, fairness and wealth why we don't see any of the countries that were earlier under your undoubtedly friendly care and are now under the Western influence rushing back to form a new CCCP? Or just some loose alliance perhaps? Why there is no some substantial immigration to Russia from the said countries? Is it the US propaganda again? So unfair. 95% of the word's countries under it and biased. Nobody can think independently and freely but the Russians supported by their government and fully free, independent media.

Have you just violated Georgia's airspace?

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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby Barnsley » Fri, 11 Dec 2015 3:49 pm

Eltonios wrote:
Barnsley, It is ridiculous. Where such conviction that all the money invested in weapons? This mildly perverse. Visit Russia, look with your own eyes, ask people personally about their quality of life. And of course, you can find out for yourself how the budget is spent, in what areas of finances are spent, which government programs and projects funded.



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