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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby Eltonios » Fri, 11 Dec 2015 4:51 pm

x9200, I did not say that you have written at the beginning of your post. This is your imagination.
You've collected all together, not related to the topic. But well, I will answer you.
Neither of which the Soviet Union can be no question. Nobody wants. Nobody is seeking for this. Why do you think so? The fact that Russia has some forms of association, such as the Eurasian Union, BRICS, SCO does not mean the Soviet Union, lol. Or what Soviet Union you're talking about? Nearby, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine, China. All of these countries live on their own, keeping the neighborly and friendly (well, Ukraine is a separate topic of discussion) relationship. Again heard enough tales from the media? About 95%, it is not true, many but not all. And you know why? Because, those who express their opinions, their position sincerity, not biased, not under US pressure, they end badly: Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi.

Russia leads an independent policy. It is not like the United States. As the main force in the world is the United States, Russia and China. China holds barred lightly, especially not supporting one side or another. Neutrality kind. Russia expresses its particular position, it does not bend to anyone. The US has always enjoyed its hegemony. Always trying to dominate the world, to dictate how to live. So now, even the most obvious benefit of the situation in Russia in the best case, are not commented in Germany, France, Italy and other US sixes that simply subservient to the United States, as they have all the levers of pressure on them if they wish to pursue an independent, individual policy. How to make Russia a bad in the eyes of other countries? That's right, use the information war. When all the media lies for the truth serves.

But I will say this about immigration, immigrants from the former USSR countries more actively than asking Russian citizenship. Many Russian from Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and other countries are constantly moving to permanent residence in Russia. For this category of people even created a special resettlement program. But I think it is better to keep the title nation of Russia, working on this internally, rather than wait for migration sagging. And not everyone is happy about this immigration. All people are different.

As for the Georgian border, I saw the news, but I am the same person as you are, more details do not know yet.

Barnsley, Perhaps, I saw on TV a little bit about it. More interested in Mars.

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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby x9200 » Fri, 11 Dec 2015 5:40 pm

Eltonios wrote:x9200, I did not say that you have written at the beginning of your post. This is your imagination.
You've collected all together, not related to the topic. But well, I will answer you.
Neither of which the Soviet Union can be no question. Nobody wants. Nobody is seeking for this. Why do you think so?

It's not exactly like openly admitting, but perhaps you know who said what is quoted below?

"Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century. As for the Russian nation, it became a genuine drama. Tens of millions of our co-citizens and co-patriots found themselves outside Russian territory. Moreover, the epidemic of disintegration infected Russia itself."

I think this is largely what drives Putin when it comes to Crimea and related topics. The dream of resurection of the shattered empire. My opinion of course, but I think it is a pretty common view.

Eltonios wrote:The fact that Russia has some forms of association, such as the Eurasian Union, BRICS, SCO does not mean the Soviet Union, lol. Or what Soviet Union you're talking about? Nearby, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine, China. All of these countries live on their own, keeping the neighborly and friendly (well, Ukraine is a separate topic of discussion) relationship.

The countries you mentioned are still under your geoeconomic influence. What I mentioned was the countries that are now under the Western influence (whatever we may call it). Baltic states and not only them clearly panicked after what happened to Ukraine. Not sure if you can attribute it to the propaganda of the media but IMHO it does not indicate friendly relationship with the big neighbour. They were once closely united with Russia and it seems they are in a good position to judge Russia well.

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But I will say this about immigration, immigrants from the former USSR countries more actively than asking Russian citizenship. Many Russian from Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and other countries are constantly moving to permanent residence in Russia. For this category of people even created a special resettlement program. But I think it is better to keep the title nation of Russia, working on this internally, rather than wait for migration sagging. And not everyone is happy about this immigration. All people are different.

Again, I mentioned the countries under the Western influence. I did it very much on purpose because you emphasise on the US/UK propaganda. Unlike the countries you mentioned, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, or Belarus, the Western countries know both of the worlds. Why do they fall then into the US/UK lies if they should have the trust in Russia? Why this trust is not there? These are rhetoric questions. They simply have their own rather long experience under the Russia ruling and unfortunately it appears this is not particularly good experience. I don't know how old you are, but the language Putin speaks and you speak as well is very, very similar to what these countries likely know well from the CCCP era. You said above nobody wants to go back to the Soviet Union, well, by all means of mentality and modus operandi you seem to be clearly on that path.

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Re: Minor incident could spark war

Postby Eltonios » Fri, 11 Dec 2015 6:40 pm

x9200, This quote Putin. I do not remember all of you entirely. But I heard it. That's the problem, that you interpret its meaning in a very different way. Putin wanted to say that the collapse of the Soviet Union is a disaster in the first place, in the sense that millions of Russian people suddenly found themselves outside their homeland, strangers. What the Russian people was the most divided in the world. Yes, many people like the Soviet Union, many things there were better implemented than it is now - it is no secret and even proud. But another question - to restore the Soviet Union - a "scarecrow" Balts, Ukrainians, and many others, the idea itself is stupid, no one even thinks about this. This is quite silly. For right now, each country is sovereign. Each country of the Soviet Union already has its new history, its achievements, successes and failures. Their culture and way of life, identifying them among others. Why did the Soviet Union? Such thoughts may come to mind only people far removed from what the Russian world live.

Explain about the geo-economic influence? How do you imagine that? Here let Singapore buys agricultural products from other countries, or of electronics or even a number of products a separate industry. You think this is geo-economic influence? No. This trade relationship. If this reasoning, then Russia in general under the influence of geo-economic of the world. Russia buys a lot of things from other countries as well as produces, sells. Therefore, this claim was originally incorrect.

And the Baltic countries, as a separate issue. They have individual relations with Russia. Read the history.
But again, do not have to be somehow gifted man, to see their hatred of everything Russian, their every attempt to do minor mischief to Russia (although his economy has a good % of GDP from the export of various foodstuffs in Russia). These so all ready in every way to the US buck, just to harass poor Russia!

But this is a Russian private affairs unrelated to the topic.

US / UK propaganda? Hmm, but you ever seen a dissenting opinion with them? It is also a rhetorical question.

I do not quite understand you. But what does fall then into the US / UK lies? I would venture to suggest, you ask why in these countries, the US propaganda work rather than the influence of Russia? If so, then again this is a premature conclusion and untrue. Simply put, in these countries support Putin rather than the US.

Notice (unless of course you are interested in equity, objectivity, impartiality) how quickly trying to drown out all the information coming from the Russian media. Worldwide! For exapmple, Russia Today (RT) channel constantly trying to discredit. For what? For something that is telling the truth, inconvenient west. West always trying to make their own hands, even in countries where there is trust in Russia and approval of the Russian policy, so the West is trying to demonize it, wishful thinking.


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