Strong Eagle wrote:
x9200 wrote:We are all made up of various beliefs and if they are really true I see no reason not to respect them as long as they are not actively invading my private space or deprive me from some critical needs. Also, in our culture refusing to shake already extended hand is gross and there are not that many people who could say it's not my problem. This very thread is an evidence of it.
What about the anti-gay "Christians" depriving others of their civil rights because of some stupid, allegedly "Christian" belief of which Jesus made no mention?
Or, what of the Muslim goofballs in Malaysia who have declared that women should not straddle motorcycles when riding them? Is it possible to get more stupid?
I'm fine with religion and spirituality... I've got my own version. What I'm not fine with is religious dogma borne of a bankrupt view of what religion is about. It makes no damn difference if someone is gay or not. It makes no damn difference if someone straddles a motorcycle or not. And, it makes no damn difference if you shake the hand of a man or not. The world will be far better off when we can finally divest it of these worthless religious anachronisms.
I am with you for most of what you said above (see my part in bold). This include the gays and the women rights. In the examples you have given the religion tries to forcefully deprive other people from their important needs. No tolerance for anything like this.
For the hand shaking, agree, is on the same spectra (religion based habits and preconditions) but it is harmless and like it or not, our culture is largely based on some religion derived ethical system so to tolerate a few more weird but harmless habits won't make any difference.
If a girl wants to wear hijab, and feels in it more comfortable? Yes, no problem at all.
If somebody tries to force her to do it - no way.
Like to go to a mass every Sunday? - no problem.
You bug me or blackmail me to do this - *@^*@$#&*(
Of course it is not rational to selectively refuse to shake hands with men but our culture also has many things of similar sort.
How rational is spending (in Singapore or similar place) time outside fully dressed? Sipping drinks under umbrellas, hot early afternoon, nice restaurant, fully or half naked would definitely be more practical. How many people would feel comfortable with it? Not many. We are preconditioned this way, a worshipper and an atheist, doesn't matter.
How rational is to abstain from farting or burping in public?
How rational is to shake hands? It's a nice, friendly social gesture but it is nice, friendly and courteous because we are programmed to perceive it this way. The woman JR8 had limited pleasure to interact with was just programmed differently for a handshake involving a man.
I don't see the religious beliefs much different from any other beliefs. They are just institutionalized and have this central (the god) factor around which everything is built. The danger of the religions is not in its irrational component but the fact they are institutionalized, made systematic and by nature trying to impose all the related beliefs to everybody. It is a danger as a whole, not with every single small belief it includes.