1) Better include your family. Never attempt to conceal the fact you have a wife and especially kids.Nicholas01 wrote:Need help on my PR application.
I have 3 things in my mind for me to finalize my PR application in order to stand a better chance to get PR. Nowadays amount of PR approvals are getting lesser and lesser.
1) Should I apply for myself(36yrs old) only or should include my family, my wife(32yrs old) and two kids(2 yrs old)?
2) Where and how can i get official translations from Bahasa Malaysia to English for the supporting documents?
3) Testimonial from previous employers, it is mandatory? What are purposes of having this testimonial? Is there any alternative documents that can be used instead? My previous employer was in JB. Worked for 5 yrs.
I am working in Sg, a MNC company for 2 yrs. EP holder. Salary $6k. Everyday travel in and out JB-Singapore. Wife is working in JB. Wife and kids stay at JB. Please advise. Thanks.
Hi Lynx,the lynx wrote:
1) Better include your family. Never attempt to conceal the fact you have a wife and especially kids.
2) No need to translate. If your documents are from Malaysia, they would accept it. Anecdotal evidence has proven it. But if you are paranoid, you can approach any translation company to do it for you.
3) Better if you have, though we have seen cases where it still gets approved without these. But you have to be really special. The purpose is to confirm what you say about you in the forms (especially about your employment history) are true.
And you have a bigger problem to worry other than those three questions you asked. You reside in JB, not Singapore. That is a big minus point against you. How would you convince Singapore government that you have the intention to be "permanent resident" of Singapore if you don't even demonstrate that you're residing there. I don't know if we have examples of Malaysians living in JB who got them nevertheless.
It's likely that particular recipe isn't part of the Singaporean government's plan. Here are a few quotes pulled from their plan published in 2013 (emphasis mine):Nicholas01 wrote:In fact, i would like to buy a HDB rather than rent a house/room in singapore. So my long term plan is to have a PR first, then buy a HDB and move to SG. That's why at this moment I dont reside in SG
You wait for 3 years slowly then. HDB can only be bought after 3 years of permanent residency. And only resale unit (not BTO) with resale unit price with COV on top of that. And the money you're spending to buy a HDB? You may as well buy a mansion in Malaysia.Nicholas01 wrote:Hi Lynx,the lynx wrote:
1) Better include your family. Never attempt to conceal the fact you have a wife and especially kids.
2) No need to translate. If your documents are from Malaysia, they would accept it. Anecdotal evidence has proven it. But if you are paranoid, you can approach any translation company to do it for you.
3) Better if you have, though we have seen cases where it still gets approved without these. But you have to be really special. The purpose is to confirm what you say about you in the forms (especially about your employment history) are true.
And you have a bigger problem to worry other than those three questions you asked. You reside in JB, not Singapore. That is a big minus point against you. How would you convince Singapore government that you have the intention to be "permanent resident" of Singapore if you don't even demonstrate that you're residing there. I don't know if we have examples of Malaysians living in JB who got them nevertheless.
Really appreciate your advices.
In fact, i would like to buy a HDB rather than rent a house/room in singapore. So my long term plan is to have a PR first, then buy a HDB and move to SG. That's why at this moment I dont reside in SG.
I am not sure is this acceptable & sound logical.
Just to re-visit the item #1. I will not attempt to conceal my family details. I will declare them in my application. But should I apply PR for them together in my application? Applying together will have a better chance?
All true, but let's suppose the idea here is to flip the HDB unit and sell it again after a couple years, hopefully at a big profit. PRs can do that, right, eventually?the lynx wrote:You wait for 3 years slowly then. HDB can only be bought after 3 years of permanent residency. And only resale unit (not BTO) with resale unit price with COV on top of that. And the money you're spending to buy a HDB? You may as well buy a mansion in Malaysia.
I don't think OP has the intention to flip for money (although I wouldn't discount that). Based on his stated reasons, I don't think he would even want to buy a private condo because it would be a larger jump in expenditure from his Malaysian house (not ignoring the fact that, as a PR, he doesn't have to wait 3 years for private condo AND he doesn't have to pay ABSD to purchase that).BBCWatcher wrote:All true, but let's suppose the idea here is to flip the HDB unit and sell it again after a couple years, hopefully at a big profit. PRs can do that, right, eventually?the lynx wrote:You wait for 3 years slowly then. HDB can only be bought after 3 years of permanent residency. And only resale unit (not BTO) with resale unit price with COV on top of that. And the money you're spending to buy a HDB? You may as well buy a mansion in Malaysia.
Well, in theory, yes, but HDB resale to HDB resale is not at all a reliable way to make money, and it's often a reliable way to lose money. The unit cannot generate significant (or any) income due to subletting restrictions, and even if you can sublet the unit the rental rate will be an HDB rental rate. You have significant regulatory uncertainty since the government can change the rules again at any time. The introduction of the 3 year waiting period along with the big reduction in the number of PR approvals obviously holds down the pool of potential buyers, so that didn't help. COVs can (and did) flip from positive to negative. There's the aforementioned 99 year clock that was already ticking well before you bought the unit. You've even got significant restrictions on what you can do to an HDB property. You cannot expand the "wet areas," for example. So the sort of property flipping things you can ordinarily do in frothy real estate markets, tearing down a wall for example, aren't possible. Then there's currency risk that may be a factor, especially if Singapore isn't in your retirement plans.
If flipping is the idea, let's just say there are better ideas, even in Singapore.
If the goal is to have a weekday place to stay in Singapore more or less as a "bachelor" but keep the family in JB and stay there on the weekends, it's already possible to do that rather inexpensively (by Singapore standards). Moreover, there aren't actually very many small HDB resale units, though that's changing a bit. The private market has better options in that respect.
Anyway, I don't think anybody here knows exactly what ICA will think if you apply for PR without actually being a resident of Singapore, but, to me anyway, it does seem to be inconsistent with the government's stated plan.
LOL they do have the same problem. Singapore and Malaysia plays tag team game of "I hit above 200 today, you hit 200 tomorrow, vice versa". It is only the matter of wind direction. Up the angle by few degrees, and you'll have poor folks from KL choking and wheezing. Down the angle by few degrees, we get the same.BBCWatcher wrote:but you've got more golf and less smoke from Indonesian plantation fires.
Yuap, quote above deserve as the best quote of the day.the lynx wrote: Like what BBCWatch alluded, PR is also about financial transaction. Singapore has what you want, you have what they want. But let's talk about transactions once/if ICA gives you PR to start with, if that's the game you're playing.
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests