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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby JR8 » Wed, 07 Oct 2015 2:37 pm

ecureilx wrote:In a way, yes, you can file police reports for any unsubstantiated accusations, but unless there was a case/judgement, then unlikely it went further, or, as I said, the person went to great extremes to ensure one of the above was done.
Yep, I still agree it is more likely a case of scare tactics


The topic is only continuing because vagaries, irrelevancies and insinuations are being brought into it (IMHO). But we seem to be getting to some form of conclusion now. Right, so, if there was a court case/judgement that found against him, presumably there is a way for the OP to find this? I.e. are court Judgements a matter of public record, and are they searchable? If so do you know where he might conclusively search?
Because what I'm thinking is if the police report was falsified, or even the report is real but the alleged case went no further, i.e. it wasn't taken to court, then he can gauge the/any extent of any record he might have in SG.

ecureilx wrote:But then again, I have this burning question to OP, again, if he doesn't plan to go near his father's other family (or legal family), what's the urgency to visit Singapore ?


Again this is irrelevant and a distraction. Maybe he would like to do all the lovely things advertised so widely by the STB, or spend some time studying there? Or perhaps more likely he would simply like to know that in his future life he can travel via Changi without being arrested or deported.
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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby ecureilx » Wed, 07 Oct 2015 3:12 pm

JR8 wrote:The topic is only continuing because vagaries, irrelevancies and insinuations are being brought into it (IMHO). But we seem to be getting to some form of conclusion now. Right, so, if there was a court case/judgement that found against him, presumably there is a way for the OP to find this? I.e. are court Judgements a matter of public record, and are they searchable? If so do you know where he might conclusively search?
Because what I'm thinking is if the police report was falsified, or even the report is real but the alleged case went no further, i.e. it wasn't taken to court, then he can gauge the/any extent of any record he might have in SG.


Falsified ? as you also agree, it is not likely.

Most likely the report was made, then nothing happened, and the copy of the report sent to the guy to warn him off Singapore.

As for searchable ? as I said, from what I know so far, NO. The only way is to come and see if ICA refuses him entry.

JR8 wrote:Again this is irrelevant and a distraction. Maybe he would like to do all the lovely things advertised so widely by the STB, or spend some time studying there? Or perhaps more likely he would simply like to know that in his future life he can travel via Changi without being arrested or deported.


:) Idle Curiosity .. but Nakatago too chimed in ;)

If he is planning to study, he can find out by applying for a Student visa and see the outcome.

If he plans to spend time here, as I said, he can come and see what kind of reception he gets in Singapore.

Lovely things in Singapore ? Well, for ICA such stories don't fly, if a person has been here once and ICA got an "ORANGE" Flag up. Then again, I wouldn't know if they have an orange flag or not

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Re: RE: Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby pj2629 » Wed, 07 Oct 2015 7:20 pm

ecureilx wrote:
pj2629 wrote:my friend just wanted to come visit SG to travel .not to make peace or anything with the family.


Sorry if this sounds terrible...

But why Singapore, of all places ?

To visit Sentosa and the Singapore flyer ?

Unless he has some other plans

And lastly, I do find it incredible that in Singapore somebody let your friend stay for few days without wondering who it was. It's an extreme rarity in Singaporeans.


My friend's girlfriend wanted to visit Universal Studios. It is nearer in SG than fly all the way to the states. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

As what I said in the beginning his father introduced him as his friend's son. :|

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Postby ecureilx » Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:45 pm

pj2629 wrote:My friend's girlfriend wanted to visit Universal Studios. It is nearer in SG than fly all the way to the states. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

As what I said in the beginning his father introduced him as his friend's son. :|


You missed my point but it's ok

Are you sure it's not you who is the "friend" ?

I am sure by now you have enough explanation and solutions.

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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby JR8 » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 2:20 am

Give it a rest will you Ecu? The poster is writing asking for help, and not your continuous rude insinuations.

p.s. @OP. Something that possibly might be of help to you (for a change).
You can search SGn court records online, or rather, those 'related/a party' to the case can IF they have a Singpass.
See further here:> http://www.ifaq.gov.sg/SPF/apps/fcd_faqmain.aspx
... that link is a truncation of the full page address and might not work. If it doesn't, go to the SPF website and aim for...

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'Frequently Asked Questions
SPF
Certified True Copy of Police Report/ Document'
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I.e. in your shoes I'd be wondering what if any case was brought, and how that might prejudice my ability to travel to SG.
If that is what you're also thinking I'd start by searching the records of the SGn Magistrates Courts.
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Postby pj2629 » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 2:47 am

ecureilx wrote:
pj2629 wrote:My friend's girlfriend wanted to visit Universal Studios. It is nearer in SG than fly all the way to the states. I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

As what I said in the beginning his father introduced him as his friend's son. :|


You missed my point but it's ok

Are you sure it's not you who is the "friend" ?

I am sure by now you have enough explanation and solutions.


No not me I don't intend to travel anywhere. :|

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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby pj2629 » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 2:49 am

Thank you for everyone who responded. :) really appreciate it.

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Re: RE: Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby ecureilx » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 9:17 am

JR8 wrote:Give it a rest will you Ecu? The poster is writing asking for help, and not your continuous rude insinuations.
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Insinuations ?

Mmmm, not so. In any case, upto OP to decide his next course of action. As I said.

Good luck anyway to OP on his quest to visit USS.

I still suspect it's much ado About Nothing ... there is no case to worry about.

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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby x9200 » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 10:11 am

Yep. Insinuations. Stop digging Ecu.

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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby menudown » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 10:56 am

pj2629 wrote:
I believe the family had made the father give the address of my friend in the Philippines. The police report was filed one day after he returned to Philippines and only came after 3months because of the slowness of shipping parcels.

As far as he can remember, it was two parcels which contained a photocopy of the police report. He threw it that day because of so much hurt that he was accused. But he said the letter said that the complainant is the wife, (whole name) and that the alleged stayed in their house for 4days. And that when the wife came home and checked the drawer of one of her daughter (my friend stayed in that room) there was the following missing items:

A bunny purse containing coins worth around 30++ SGD
An envelope containing around 300sgd
Some necklace of some sort
And the list was a bit long but none of those he really remember seeing nor anything.

There wasn't really an invitation to come or to respond as far as he can remember.
It was a copy that the wife filed a complaint to him. And maybe the wife photocopied the report and sent it over to PH so it wasn't really from the police. (The handwriting of the envelope is from the wife as far as he can tell)

He also received lots of messages before from the wife and the children that he father would never contact him anymore, that his mother is a dirty woman, etc.

We just wanted to ask so he knows what to expect if ever he presented himself at the border of Singapore again. I am afraid he won't be given any equal justice because he is a foreigner technically or he will be charged thousands of Singaporean dollars.


If he really wants to get back to them for accusing him, get a DNA test!
And if its proven he's the illegitimate son, he can go all the way to claiming damage.

As a foreigner you'll have equal justice, if all the reports made against him were false he can always counter it. If he already took the trouble to go all the way to meet his real father and faced all the nonsense, why not go all the way... he should prioritize this rather than thinking of the consequences not to be able to enter sg again just for the purpose of visiting USS

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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby bgd » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:01 am

menudown wrote:If he really wants to get back to them for accusing him, get a DNA test!
And if its proven he's the illegitimate son, he can go all the way to claiming damage.

As a foreigner you'll have equal justice, if all the reports made against him were false he can always counter it. If he already took the trouble to go all the way to meet his real father and faced all the nonsense, why not go all the way... he should prioritize this rather than thinking of the consequences not to be able to enter sg again just for the purpose of visiting USS


Or he could just bring his girlfriend to Universal Studios and get on with his life.

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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby x9200 » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:07 am

Besides, he would need a lot of money for any court action against his father. USS is a cheaper option.

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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby x9200 » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:12 am

menudown wrote:If he really wants to get back to them for accusing him, get a DNA test!
And if its proven he's the illegitimate son, he can go all the way to claiming damage.

What damage? Also, let's not forget he is an adult now.

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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby the lynx » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:15 am

menudown wrote:
pj2629 wrote:
I believe the family had made the father give the address of my friend in the Philippines. The police report was filed one day after he returned to Philippines and only came after 3months because of the slowness of shipping parcels.

As far as he can remember, it was two parcels which contained a photocopy of the police report. He threw it that day because of so much hurt that he was accused. But he said the letter said that the complainant is the wife, (whole name) and that the alleged stayed in their house for 4days. And that when the wife came home and checked the drawer of one of her daughter (my friend stayed in that room) there was the following missing items:

A bunny purse containing coins worth around 30++ SGD
An envelope containing around 300sgd
Some necklace of some sort
And the list was a bit long but none of those he really remember seeing nor anything.

There wasn't really an invitation to come or to respond as far as he can remember.
It was a copy that the wife filed a complaint to him. And maybe the wife photocopied the report and sent it over to PH so it wasn't really from the police. (The handwriting of the envelope is from the wife as far as he can tell)

He also received lots of messages before from the wife and the children that he father would never contact him anymore, that his mother is a dirty woman, etc.

We just wanted to ask so he knows what to expect if ever he presented himself at the border of Singapore again. I am afraid he won't be given any equal justice because he is a foreigner technically or he will be charged thousands of Singaporean dollars.


If he really wants to get back to them for accusing him, get a DNA test!
And if its proven he's the illegitimate son, he can go all the way to claiming damage.

As a foreigner you'll have equal justice, if all the reports made against him were false he can always counter it. If he already took the trouble to go all the way to meet his real father and faced all the nonsense, why not go all the way... he should prioritize this rather than thinking of the consequences not to be able to enter sg again just for the purpose of visiting USS


Lovely thoughts but not practical.

1. It was already mentioned that he has no intention to seek anything from them.

2. Unless it has reached the court (with arrest warrant etc), no point fighting a filed piece of paper they call police report.

3. Even if he gets to prove he is a biological son through DNA test, it doesn't absolve him from theft. Biological son or not, he is still capable of committing theft either way (putting aside if the accusation is true or not). Doesn't mean if he is not biological son, then he is the thief, or vice versa.

4. However, if he has time and money (and the intention), he can sue them for defamation. He can seek damages in forms mental and emotional anguish, and for libel (because a written document i.e. police report exists to defame him). Not worth it though and that was just a side-track from the actual discussion.

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Re: Illegitimate child of a Singaporean Citizen needs help

Postby x9200 » Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:29 am

I think your pre-poster meant damages related to the whole Illegitimate childhood affair.
the lynx wrote:4. However, if he has time and money (and the intention), he can sue them for defamation. He can seek damages in forms mental and emotional anguish, and for libel (because a written document i.e. police report exists to defame him). Not worth it though and that was just a side-track from the actual discussion.


I don't think he can sue them for any of these.
1) defamation implies public nature (e.g. publication)
2) everybody can file a police report and claim whatever they would like to claim. As long as it's not made public in any form: media, web, speech to large group of people, you are free to do it.


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