Let me summarise this:pj2629 wrote:Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum so apologies if I maybe in a wrong forum section. I'd appreciate it if you can direct me where I needed to be in for this topic.
But I will still share my query.
I have a friend who happens to found out two years ago that his dad is a singaporean citizen. And he is an illegitimate child.
His surname is different and he had found it out at age 21.
Through Facebook they were able to track the father which is in Jurong East Singapore and they met for the very first time. (He went to SG and he is from Philippines)
He wasn't introduced as a son to the family but a friend's son. But you can really see their similarities in facets etc.
Now on his third day the father suddenly told the family with his sister there who visited that day. Everyone was shocked and are speaking loudly in Mandarin and the father's wife cried and etc etc
The guy friend of mine has 4 siblings from that father. When he got back to PH from SG his father stopped communicating with him. And the other siblings were saying that his mom is a whore, etc.
Then 3months after he received a police report that he stole money from the household of his father filed by the wife of his father. Which is not true.
It was sent to him two years ago. It was only a police report. No invitation or whatsoever to go to court.
Now my friend wanted to go to Singapore again for travel. What is waiting for him there knowing there was a report filed on him two years ago???
I was reading some entries in the forum and read about canning etc which made me really scared for him.
We are not aware of how SG law is so we would really appreciate it if you can share what he has to face there.
He was thinking he'd be banned by the immigration and not permitted to go inside the territory of Singapore.
Or he will be arrested etc.
But he is not guilty and is not afraid to say so. Knowing him my whole life I know he is not like that. I think the family of his father doesn't want him to return to Singapore that's why they did it.
My friend doesn't need any money from them too.
We would appreciate responses so we would be enlighten. Thank you
A curious story.pj2629 wrote:Then 3months after he received a police report that he stole money from the household of his father filed by the wife of his father. Which is not true.
It was sent to him two years ago. It was only a police report. No invitation or whatsoever to go to court.
Step mother ? Does that term apply here for the legal wife of the father ?JR8 wrote:My initial overall impression would be to check the report is real. Rather than something faked up by the step-mother, who might have an interest in seeing your friend (who turned up in SG for the first time and brought significant problems for the family) never enter SG again. ...![]()
I briefly pondered that too, but (rightly or wrongly) concluded that she can't be anything else - at least not to my 'IANAL' knowledge. Can you suggest an alternative?ecureilx wrote:Step mother ? Does that term apply here for the legal wife of the father ?
Thank you for your story ! It was a very good one. I'm glad they didn't rip you off or anything.JR8 wrote:Don't worry, it is normal for a complicated story to develop as it gets discussed, since I don't think many people could pre-emptively provide every possible relevant detail in their first post.
The question for me right now would be to what extent a police report (which is just an allegation) can/might prejudice a person's ability to enter Singapore?
For example, if I lived in Singapore (and was unmarried), and had my BF/GF visit from abroad, and we had a huge fight, could I simply file a false police report on them that would forever prejudice their ability to enter SG? I'm not convinced that that would make sense; but Ecu perhaps knows more clearly.
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I once had a very dramatic bust-up with someone, who then was set of getting revenge against me. Note though this was in the US, not SG. A few weeks later they gleefully told me that they had filed a police report against me alleging XYZ. I braced myself and visited the police and requested a copy of the report. Reading it was one of the more surreal moments of my life. Surreal, completely fabricated, extremely malicious, and in great detail which made it quite frightening to realise the er... magnitude of what I was up against.
As I recall I had a right to file my observations on that report, which after I'd mentally picked myself up off the floor a few days later I did in a calm-headed and clinical way. But I was still in the US at that time, and so could do so in person at the police station and 'under oath'.
At that time a person from the EU could visit the US under the Visa Waiver Programme (similar to SGs SVP). One thing using the VWP instead of a full visa required was that you had essentially no criminal record. The question on the VWP entry card was roughly 'Have you ever been convicted in a court of law of a Misdemeanour or higher offence?'. If you had you were not eligible for the VWP; you had to go to the embassy for a full visa.
I simply mention this anecdote because it's my understanding that that simple allegation, the police report from a few years earlier, would not have prejudiced my right to use the SVP, since I'd never been found guilty by a court. I.e. I had an allegation recorded against me, but it had never been judged by a court and found to be true. I see parallels there at that time between my position vs the US, and your friends now vs SG.
Perhaps about 8 years later I started dating my now wife, who by chance lived in NYC. Hence I visited frequently, and being able to work remotely I spent a great amount of time there doing the US equivalent of 'maxing out my use of a SGn SVP'. Until it came to a point that Immigration (USCBP) at NYC started asking me questions whenever I showed up at JFK/EWR as to what I was doing there, was I working there etc. Ultimately one time I was taken off for 'Secondly Inspection', i.e. questioning in a back-room. That was an *extremely* hostile past-midnight encounter with a USCBP officer, who asked me 101 questions then tried to smash holes in my story. My point in recounting that is that he apparently had my entire 'record' relating to every time I'd visited the States, the period of time previously I had lived and worked there (all completely legally), and so on. But, despite the 101 questions at no point was the police report (the false allegations) ever mentioned. And really, if that USCBP officer could have additionally thrown that at me, 1000% sure he would have!
So, over to Ecu, or others who know. To what extent, if any, does a police report figure on an individuals record that is later used to determine eligibility for immigration purposes...?
Your friend never told what his mother was working as, in Malaysia, not that it matters much now anyway..pj2629 wrote:The mom of my friend worked before in Malaysia. The father at that time is also in Malaysia he used to be a manager.
And now 21 years later, the mother sent the son for closure ? I truly believe that she wanted to not to destroy his family.pj2629 wrote:Having to not want to destroy the family, she went back to Philippines and evaded the father. She met another man which gave my friend his surname although he is not from him.
Siblings ? well, doesn't make it legitimate, as the legal children are not his siblings, just being frank there. While your 'friend' may want to see the other children as siblings, it's not gonna happen, I am sure of it.pj2629 wrote:21years later my friend learned about this secret and he was invited by the Singaporean father to come over to his house for 4days 3nights. He stayed in his father's house with the wife and the siblings.
Yep, blood type is good enough. No, not so.pj2629 wrote:There was no DNA filed but when my friend was asked what his blood type is, he said he is Type AB which the whole bloodline happened to be. There was a day there of crying and shouting and everyone was shocked when the father suddenly blurted that my friend is his son. They have the same eyes, the family's big arms, and the blood type ad it was enough for them to acknowledge that he is really the father's son.
Parcels only take 6 weeks, not 3 months, and seems your friend's father is being pushed to a corner. What will it do for your friend to turn up again, specially since your friend says he wants peace with the father ?pj2629 wrote:I believe the family had made the father give the address of my friend in the Philippines. The police report was filed one day after he returned to Philippines and only came after 3months because of the slowness of shipping parcels.
What justice ? Like allowed to enter Singapore ? Being allowed to enter Singapore is a Privilege, not a right. so being refused is not injustice. In fact, on a daily basis a few dozen, including filipinos/filipinas, get refused entry by ICA. No injustice there.pj2629 wrote:We just wanted to ask so he knows what to expect if ever he presented himself at the border of Singapore again. I am afraid he won't be given any equal justice because he is a foreigner technically or he will be charged thousands of Singaporean dollars.
From what I know, and seen, it is easy to blacklist a person, especially if the person is from Asean/Asian countriesJR8 wrote:So, over to Ecu, or others who know. To what extent, if any, does a police report figure on an individuals record that is later used to determine eligibility for immigration purposes...?
ecureilx wrote:Your friend never told what his mother was working as, in Malaysia, not that it matters much now anyway..pj2629 wrote:The mom of my friend worked before in Malaysia. The father at that time is also in Malaysia he used to be a manager.
The mom used to work in a restaurant as a server.
And now 21 years later, the mother sent the son for closure ? I truly believe that she wanted to not to destroy his family.pj2629 wrote:Having to not want to destroy the family, she went back to Philippines and evaded the father. She met another man which gave my friend his surname although he is not from him.
Some relative of his slipped the truth and not the mother. She did not sent the son for closure.
Registering with a different surname ? That is a normal thing that happens in Philippines, including registering the child with the mother's surname. Now why didn't the child be registered with the mother's surname ?
Because the husband of my friend's mother wanted the child to bear his surname and the mother doesn't want the son to grow being an illegitimate child
Siblings ? well, doesn't make it legitimate, as the legal children are not his siblings, just being frank there. While your 'friend' may want to see the other children as siblings, it's not gonna happen, I am sure of it.pj2629 wrote:21years later my friend learned about this secret and he was invited by the Singaporean father to come over to his house for 4days 3nights. He stayed in his father's house with the wife and the siblings.
i said the wife and the siblings meaning the kids of my friend's father. I did not say that my friend and those other four children are siblings
Yep, blood type is good enough. No, not so.pj2629 wrote:There was no DNA filed but when my friend was asked what his blood type is, he said he is Type AB which the whole bloodline happened to be. There was a day there of crying and shouting and everyone was shocked when the father suddenly blurted that my friend is his son. They have the same eyes, the family's big arms, and the blood type ad it was enough for them to acknowledge that he is really the father's son.
If there was even an iota of sincerity, your friend,being a 'professional', should have gotten a DNA Sample, and gotten a match. Similiar face features are not good enough, in Reality. Big arms ? how about tall like his father, colour of hair like his father ? How different are Asian Eyes ? Are they blue, green, purple ??
the father did not ask for it but yea had he known this will come to this he should've.
Parcels only take 6 weeks, not 3 months, and seems your friend's father is being pushed to a corner. What will it do for your friend to turn up again, specially since your friend says he wants peace with the father ?pj2629 wrote:I believe the family had made the father give the address of my friend in the Philippines. The police report was filed one day after he returned to Philippines and only came after 3months because of the slowness of shipping parcels.
my friend just wanted to come visit SG to travel .not to make peace or anything with the family.
What justice ? Like allowed to enter Singapore ? Being allowed to enter Singapore is a Privilege, not a right. so being refused is not injustice. In fact, on a daily basis a few dozen, including filipinos/filipinas, get refused entry by ICA. No injustice there.pj2629 wrote:We just wanted to ask so he knows what to expect if ever he presented himself at the border of Singapore again. I am afraid he won't be given any equal justice because he is a foreigner technically or he will be charged thousands of Singaporean dollars.
And equal justice ? mmmm, are you implying that, if ICA refuses entry to your friend, it will be injustice due to partial justice ? Nice ..
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I may have used the wrong word but I meant is that maybe the SG government would suddenly condemn him and all. I am asking because we don't really know.
From what I know, and seen, it is easy to blacklist a person, especially if the person is from Asean/Asian countriesJR8 wrote:So, over to Ecu, or others who know. To what extent, if any, does a police report figure on an individuals record that is later used to determine eligibility for immigration purposes...?
The only chance for a successful appeal and entry is for the person to show due cause, or got a good job here, or can prove relations here, and had justification to squash whatever report that was made, if there was one such report.
I see no reason why the ICA folks see any reason for the person to be allowed, if a Police Record was made, and ICA notified. ----> This part is a bit confusing. Please explain.
Then again, unless there was a court hearing etc etc, unlikely for ICA to have been notified. Looks like a scare to keep the 'friend' away from Singapore ..
And, JR8, years ago, I was nearly in a similar soup. Long story short, but, let me put it this way, it did nearly drive me nuts till I figured out it was a form of vengeance by an Ex- including insisting the baby has the same colour eyes, skin tone (yes ... ) and on and on, and turned out she wasn't even anywhere she claimed to be- and faking it all up... so my response maybe slightly prejudiced.
Sorry if this sounds terrible...pj2629 wrote: my friend just wanted to come visit SG to travel .not to make peace or anything with the family.
JR8 wrote:So, over to Ecu, or others who know. To what extent, if any, does a police report figure on an individuals record that is later used to determine eligibility for immigration purposes...?
You mean to say that you can get a person blacklisted from SG simply on the basis of an unproven allegation? I don't get it... wouldn't that be an invitation for all kinds of malicious/falsified reporting by those out for revenge, and also see a lot of innocent people unjustly and unnecessarily being barred from Singapore based upon false but alleged petty crimes?ecureilx wrote: From what I know, and seen, it is easy to blacklist a person, especially if the person is from Asean/Asian countries
Perhaps you could clarify what 'due cause' is, as it's lost on me and sounds like it could be important.ecureilx wrote:The only chance for a successful appeal and entry is for the person to show due cause, or got a good job here, or can prove relations here, and had justification to squash whatever report that was made, if there was one such report.
Maybe the perspective differs according to where you're from? I tend to assume I have a right to enter a country (naturally, this is as per their laws and discretion) unless there are reasons to disallow me. And if there are such reasons I'd expect some element of a right to know what those reasons are. Because if I had no such right, then I'd never be able to overturn a false allegation that say led to a potential refusal of entry.ecureilx wrote:I see no reason why the ICA folks see any reason for the person to be allowed, if a Police Record was made, and ICA notified.
Then again, unless there was a court hearing etc etc, unlikely for ICA to have been notified. Looks like a scare to keep the 'friend' away from Singapore ..
Yep, I know what you mean (and feel your pain!). Was their no 'just' route for you out of the situation, and hence the false allegations have stuck until today?ecureilx wrote:And, JR8, years ago, I was nearly in a similar soup. Long story short, but, let me put it this way, it did nearly drive me nuts till I figured out it was a form of vengeance by an Ex- including insisting the baby has the same colour eyes, skin tone (yes ... ) and on and on, and turned out she wasn't even anywhere she claimed to be- and faking it all up... so my response maybe slightly prejudiced.
Ok, you didn't hear this from me, but it is not hard to make a foreigner's entry to Singapore. If you know how, there is a high chance of success. Like blacklisting maids, and former work pass holders. Then again, I am sure ICA errs on the side of caution, and this being Singapore, most of the times, the person will be presumed to be guilty, before being cleared.JR8 wrote:You mean to say that you can get a person blacklisted from SG simply on the basis of an unproven allegation? I don't get it... wouldn't that be an invitation for all kinds of malicious/falsified reporting by those out for revenge, and also see a lot of innocent people unjustly and unnecessarily being barred from Singapore based upon false but alleged petty crimes?
Catch 22: you don't know if somebody went the whole 9 yards to block your entering Singapore, until you try to enterJR8 wrote:Perhaps you could clarify what 'due cause' is, as it's lost on me and sounds like it could be important.
And how would you 'squash [the] report made'? It is often inherently difficult to disprove what is simply untrue; surely why Judgements tend to be arrived at based upon only proven facts.
But you make a good point, 'If there was such a report'; how can the subject concerned confirm whether the alleged report is in fact genuine? This fact is still unproven.
Well, the difference between carrying an Asian passport or a Western PassportJR8 wrote:Maybe the perspective differs according to where you're from? I tend to assume I have a right to enter a country (naturally, this is as per their laws and discretion) unless there are reasons to disallow me. And if there are such reasons I'd expect some element of a right to know what those reasons are. Because if I had no such right, then I'd never be able to overturn a false allegation that say led to a potential refusal of entry.
Nah, got over it, when her good friend ratted on her and told me the baby is somebody else' baby and she was just taking the opportunity to drive me mental, and she nearly succeeded.JR8 wrote:Yep, I know what you mean (and feel your pain!). Was their no 'just' route for you out of the situation, and hence the false allegations have stuck until today?
I didn't read that at allthe lynx wrote: From my experience, I have seen/heard of many police reports made for bizarre reasons, and with equally-bizarre stories. From stupid stuff like I-didn't-know-she-has-penis cheating case to paranormal they-stole-my-chi or bomoh-and-toyol cases.
In a way, yes, you can file police reports for any unsubstantiated accusations, but unless there was a case/judgement, then unlikely it went further, or, as I said, the person went to great extremes to ensure one of the above was done.the lynx wrote:If OP needs to fly to Singapore for purely tourism or business (and definitely not to seek out the father), he can do so without fear.
Uh, job prospects? Tourism? Doy...ecureilx wrote: But then again, I have this burning question to OP, again, if he doesn't plan to go near his father's other family (or legal family), what's the urgency to visit Singapore ?
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