x9200 wrote:Haven't they supposed to be refugees fleeing out of their countries for the safety reasons?
'Supposed to be', yes, but it seems a material number of them are economic migrants. If you're fleeing for reasons of safety, why wouldn't you have found sanctuary at the first safe point of arrival... Greece, Turkey, southern Europe? After all that is what the asylum laws also require. And yet many of them are trekking on thousands of miles, enduring risk and deprivation to get to wealthier northern Europe and Scandinavia. What do you conclude from that, trekking through far simpler options that share elements of their culture, cuisine, climate etc., to get to alien ones (that happen to be far wealthier).
x9200 wrote:How is it than their women were left behind?
You will see the Time/quote 'A]' below reaches the same conclusion as I did. Particularly the sentence I have bolded
Time.com, Who I think it’s fair to say are probably ‘mainstream Liberal’
‘In Europe, over 800,000 migrants have traveled to Europe by sea in 2015, according to the United Nations refugee agency, and a little over half have come from Syria. About 62% of all migrants that have traveled to Europe this year, however, are men. A little under a quarter, 22%, are children and only 16% are women.’
Trump isn’t exactly wrong—many of the refugees seeking asylum in Europe are indeed young men. But as the TIME’s Karl Vick wrote in September, many of the men are fleeing the same enemy nations across the world find themselves up against.
“Placed one atop the other on a map, the number of people moving to join Syria’s civil war would appear as a barely visible black thread in the wide, wide arrow pointing out from the country: 20,000 people going in against 4-million headed out. And while most of the foreign fighters are young men, the same is true of those fleeing the fighting. Many doubtless are escaping conscription into the Syrian armed forces, which President Bashar Assad in a July speech admitted faces major manpower shortages. Almost all are a vanguard for families waiting to follow them. You don’t send a mother or a grandfather to scout a route to a new home. You send the hardiest and least vulnerable—males in their late teens to middle age.”
[JR: My bold]
2. 'The United Nations has registered over 4.2 million Syrian refugees, a step in seeking asylum from other countries, and has a demographic snapshot of about half of them. Of the 2.1 million registered in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon there’s a pretty even split in gender: about 50.5% are women and 49.7% are men.'
http://time.com/4122186/syrian-refugees ... young-men/
Curious that these people are fleeing for 'safety'. I've been to Egypt on holiday many times, as have several of my relatives. I'd go again, in fact I was discussing that in passing with my wife just last week (she was also posted there for several years). So, their citizens are allegedly fleeing for safety, while we're chatting about going there for a holiday - seems a contradiction.
And we have also recently been on holiday to Lebanon, and we found it to be quite wonderful, disarmingly friendly, welcoming, and wouldn't hesitate to return. Unsafe? I didn't feel that even once, and my risk-radar is well attuned.
Jordan, I would visit without hesitation, I genuinely hope to, it's just one of those places I haven't got around to yet. Safety - it's probably safer than most big German cities right now.
But Iraq - yes that's 'too hot' for me now that I'm getting older and less intrepid. But I know it is still open for tourism and have read (1-2 years ago) the details of tours visiting there - just my wife said if I went, I'd be going alone lol.
Back to the above Time quote:
The above statistical breakdown appears to remove consideration of gender from the category of Children. But it’s not clear how they define the latter age-wise. But you can extrapolate the total for Adults as 62+16%=88%, hence Males 62/88%=70.45%.
Eurostat – Quarterly Asylum Report – Dec 2015
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics ... rly_report
Drill-down to a table such as this, EU-wide by gender, also suggests 70% male .So perhaps concluding that the gender split is about 70/30 might be about right...
You can also see the split by country in this above data, and I expect age as well [for some reason the table does not function too well in my browser, so pulling up more results is a challenge]. It would be interesting to see splits of say distance travelled, and then further split that by gender.
x9200 wrote:On a related note and after what happened in NY eve in Germany and many other EU countries, I hope there will be some awakening before the Europe is completely brain dead from this self-destructive political correctness.
Blair notoriously opened the flood-gates to non-EU immigration into the UK as he knew whom ever he facilitated citizenship to would then have a long-term 'debt/vote of gratitude' for his party, Labour; and specifically the logic was so large was immigration that Labour could thus not be voted out of power for a generation+. He would rule Labour and the country as some kind of God until the day a generation later he chose to retire. And I think Merkel is mirroring very close to this plan in Germany. Her coalition is a fragile one and in the balance, 100's of k's of new grateful voters will keep her and her party in power for ever the logic goes.... but she wasn't counting on this back-lash it seems; probably why she ordered a news black-out on it: Inconvenient News?
But lastly, as I perhaps said, when I have walked through such crowds of young men who seem to congregate outside German mainline/city railway station, including Munich, Dusseldorf, Cologne they have been apparently wholly male, and aged say 16-40. There is a lot of public drinking, and Middle-Eastern men drinking in public doesn't bode well does it? Plus lots of 'deals being done' [the used wraps on crack, and strips of foil are on the ground and plain to see]. It is an unnerving experience, especially at night, even as a 'pretty big white guy'.