x9200 wrote: The Western European countries, like the UK, France or Germany, or even the Netherlands, traditionally accepting the emigrants, miserably failed to integrate them.
To an extent. It is difficult to prepare in that depth for the unexpected and unknown. So the destination countries are being handed a massive and new challenge.
Such previous exoduses have usually been due to humanitarian crises. Vietnamese, Cambodian, Ugandan Asian (Subcontinental) refugees for example. A number of the former used to live in my childhood village and facilitated by their adoptive parents went to huge lengths to integrate into village life. They received a lot of help and support back and became fully accepted into the community. The latter, from Uganda, again there was huge sympathy for them, and a sense of historic Commonwealth obligation. Many have progressed in life with great success, not least due to the cultural habits of seeking to get educated, and working very hard.
But I think the elephant in the room is that they integrated quickly and well, not least as they saw the benefit of doing so, and culturally were able to adapt.
x9200 wrote: I am talking about the emigration 1-2 generations back. Many of these people never assimilated with the society what resulted in all sort of ghettos and extremists.
Quite. And look at who it is that has historically become ghetto-dwellers. Those whom for what ever reason can't or refuse to integrate. Religion seems to be a major factor in such cases IMO. And the host country isn't going to tolerate established neighbourhoods being turned by new immigrants into say sharia-law-for-all zones. That was attempted in a couple of areas of the UK, where young activists from one of the mosques decided they'd set up their own sharia patrols in the neighbourhood to control consumption of alcohol, immodest dress, umarried couples holding hands, and so on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols
And -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC2PdQNfJhM
'Published on 23 Oct 2013
3 days after arriving from Florida USA, student Francesco Hounye, 22 was attacked and scarred for life for entering the "Muslim Only Area" of Whitechapel, Tower Hamlets [London] WHILST DRINKING BEER!!!. Muslim Patrol said back in February what they would do to such people (and the Police gave tacit approval by not doing anything) and they have delivered on their promise.'
People see stuff like that and the whole community get tarred by it, not least because very few people from that community will stand up and speak out against it. It is that kind of inaction on their part that will handicap their whole community until they accept their ways need to change.
x9200 wrote: People are just afraid that this will happen on much more extended scale as nothing seems to be in place to prevent it. I think this may be the main reason to be against for even well educated people. It's not really xenophobia in this case. What is IMHO desperately needed and I don't see any of it:
- screening to distinguish between the refugees from the economy based migrants
- an efficient and robust plan to integrate these people
It's hard to prevent against all and every means a refugee/economic migrant might use to reach a perceived land of free milk+honey.
There are asylum camps in northern France (last stop en route to the UK). France should, under the asylum laws, process these people as asylum seekers in and to France, but the immigrants aren't seeking that, they're heading for the UK. So the French conveniently turn half a blind eye, ignore their obligations, while they hope all these new arrivals will find some way into the UK. You see this 'let it be the next man's problem' all the way along such journeys, like Syria > Turkey > Greece+Croatia (IIRC Croatia laid on buses and trains to help accelerate the exporting of *their* problem) all the way on to the wealthiest and softest-touch countries in the EU. So much for European fraternity; it's a masterclass in naked national self-interest, from country after country. There should be EU-wide policy on this... but there is not a hint of anything like that I am aware of. You have some unilaterally countries closing their borders, or effectively doing so... so much for Schengen and the EUs right to freedom to borderless travel.
So yes you do need screening, to separate economic from humanitarian cases. You know the problems that go with that. Where would it happen, how much would it cost, how would you return those that don't qualify. ... How do you return a refugee family who've strung out the legal process as long as possible, and now have a child that's in a local school? A lot of these migrants know they have no right to EU residence but the state hasn't the means to ever get around to removing those without that right. And so more of such people come...
Your last point. You can't plan for people integrating when many of them have no desire or intention of doing so. A lot of the current refugees are moslems. And sadly moslems (when considered as a whole) have a track record of not wishing to integrate within other cultures, and instead sometimes seeking to impose their ways upon their hosts. That's a pretty sure way to spark a popular backlash against themselves, but only they don't seem to see this.
