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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 20 Sep 2015 2:27 am

zzm9980 wrote:Instead in 6 months we'll have Jeb and Hillary?


Don't discount Bernie Sanders... a straight up, accurate message. My "Feel the Bern" mug and tee-shirt are on the way.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby JR8 » Sun, 20 Sep 2015 3:44 am

Strong Eagle wrote:Don't discount Bernie Sanders... a straight up, accurate message.


'A self-described democratic socialist'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

Gawd help us all if the US votes in a socialist president. ...As if Yellen at the Fed isn't already causing enough chaos...
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Strong Eagle » Sun, 20 Sep 2015 8:08 am

JR8 wrote:
Strong Eagle wrote:Don't discount Bernie Sanders... a straight up, accurate message.


'A self-described democratic socialist'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

Gawd help us all if the US votes in a socialist president. ...As if Yellen at the Fed isn't already causing enough chaos...


Really depends upon what you mean by "socialism". Is constructing highways, waterways, and bridges using public monies, for the common good, "socialism"?

Is expanding the internet capabilities of the country, using public monies, "socialism"?

Is setting up a non-profit, single payer insurance system that removes private sector profiteering from medical insurance, "socialism"?

Is a tax policy that is designed to increases the tax brackets for the extremely wealthy and is designed to reduce income and asset inequality, "socialism"?

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby nakatago » Sun, 20 Sep 2015 4:43 pm

MikeJones wrote:I'm waiting for the moment he drops the act and reveals that this is in fact satire. Then again I thought the same about Palin last time round.

Mike


Trump clearly isn't an idiot as Palin is.

Politically incorrect? Yes.
Obnoxious? Yes.
Narcissistic? Yes.
Insensitive? Yes.
Tactless? Yes.
Brash? Yes.
Impulsive? Yes.

But stupid? No.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby MikeJones » Sun, 20 Sep 2015 4:54 pm

True Palin is a whole order of magnitude more ignorant (the phrase batshit insane springs to mind) than Trump but some of the overweening arrogance of Trump looks a whole lot like stupid from this distance:

"I'm looking for the next commander-in-chief to know who Hassan Nasrallah is, and Zawahiri, and al-Julani, and al-Baghdadi. Do you know the players without a scorecard yet?"-- radio host Hugh Hewitt to Donald Trump"By the time we get to office, they'll all be changed. They'll all be gone...First day in office, or before then, the day after the election, I'll know more about it than you will ever know... I will know far more than you know within 24 hours after I get the job."-- Trump"

"So the difference between Hezbollah and Hamas does not matter to you yet, but it will?"-- Hugh Hewitt "It will when it's appropriate. I will know more about it than you know, and believe me, it won't take long."-- Trump"


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Re: Donald Trump

Postby JR8 » Sun, 20 Sep 2015 6:52 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
JR8 wrote:Gawd help us all if the US votes in a socialist president. ...As if Yellen at the Fed isn't already causing enough chaos...

Really depends upon what you mean by "socialism". [etc]


I'd have thought it matters far more how Sanders defines Socialism.
Your list is a strawman, not least since the suggested facilities exist in multitudes of countries that aren't and have never been socialist. As you well know :wink: In fact IME the reverse is true, such things tend to be lacking in countries that are socialist.

Here, you'll enjoy this 8-) :cool:
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/heres ... verything/
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby calugaruvaxile » Sun, 20 Sep 2015 11:21 pm

nakatago wrote:
MikeJones wrote:I'm waiting for the moment he drops the act and reveals that this is in fact satire. Then again I thought the same about Palin last time round.

Mike


Trump clearly isn't an idiot as Palin is.

Politically incorrect? Yes.
Obnoxious? Yes.
Narcissistic? Yes.
Insensitive? Yes.
Tactless? Yes.
Brash? Yes.
Impulsive? Yes.

But stupid? No.


+1. i think he's playing a poker game here.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Aragorn2000 » Mon, 21 Sep 2015 1:21 pm

nakatago wrote:
MikeJones wrote:I'm waiting for the moment he drops the act and reveals that this is in fact satire. Then again I thought the same about Palin last time round.

Mike


Trump clearly isn't an idiot as Palin is.

Politically incorrect? Yes.
Obnoxious? Yes.
Narcissistic? Yes.
Insensitive? Yes.
Tactless? Yes.
Brash? Yes.
Impulsive? Yes.

But stupid? No.


I kinda like Donald Trump. If you have watched his latest debate on CNN, which I strongly suggest if you haven't, he was not at all a complete nonsense as many people think, even with the vaccination issue.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby livingontheedge » Mon, 21 Sep 2015 2:29 pm

I support Donal Trump - the country needs a businessmen and not a politician - I am laughing my arse off when other candidates and the media reports that he has no experience in politicis and foreign policy - why do you need experience in politics to run a country? and as a businessman with casinos and royalties from other countries, he should have more experience in foreign policy than other candidates.

Yes - he failed four times and that's been on the news countless times, but I can't remember any billionaire/millionaire without his/her own failures unlike Fiorina who just failed and left the private sector.

And then there is the echo of there are no specifics in anything he says - but neither do other candidates have. I mean Rubio clearly articulated all the foreign enemies the US has and so many applauded and cheered his "experience" in foreign policy - reading from a list of enemies shows experience - the guy forgot the African nations - Somalia, Congo, Central African Republic, Sudan, etc. I reckon its hard to come up with specific procedures to achieve certain goals until you are in the house and probably alot of it depends on your management skills to employ and deploy the best of the best individuals for each role.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby Brah » Mon, 21 Sep 2015 9:58 pm

Ape Shall Not Kill Ape.

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Mon, 21 Sep 2015 10:16 pm

livingontheedge wrote:I support Donal Trump - the country needs a businessmen and not a politician - I am laughing my arse off when other candidates and the media reports that he has no experience in politicis and foreign policy - why do you need experience in politics to run a country? and as a businessman with casinos and royalties from other countries, he should have more experience in foreign policy than other candidates.

Yes - he failed four times and that's been on the news countless times, but I can't remember any billionaire/millionaire without his/her own failures unlike Fiorina who just failed and left the private sector.

And then there is the echo of there are no specifics in anything he says - but neither do other candidates have. I mean Rubio clearly articulated all the foreign enemies the US has and so many applauded and cheered his "experience" in foreign policy - reading from a list of enemies shows experience - the guy forgot the African nations - Somalia, Congo, Central African Republic, Sudan, etc. I reckon its hard to come up with specific procedures to achieve certain goals until you are in the house and probably alot of it depends on your management skills to employ and deploy the best of the best individuals for each role.

lol this post is the most retarded thing I've read all day.
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby JR8 » Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:25 pm

rajagainstthemachine wrote:lol this post is the most retarded thing I've read all day.



Pls elaborate why Raj, otherwise what to conclude?

A feeling I have is that Trump is too honest, too honest for the public sector, and way too honest for politics. And that is never likely to work in politics where spin and outright lies seem to be a pre-requisite.
Think about it, we don't expect the truth do we? The next level might be asking if we want and could handle it if it ever got dished up.

I also suspect what with his TV shows etc he's too publicly known, so he's far simpler to make a target of.

Bloomberg (Mayor of NYC for 13 year until retiring, and similar in many ways to Trump - bar the hair ; ) made a similar leap, and proved he could do it. What the career politicians before him proved they couldn't, perhaps why he kept getting re-elected. Interesting to recall too that those years in office converted him from a Democrat into a Republican.

I've yet to see an argument why Trump isn't worthy of running for it. All I see is quotes of some of his unguarded/non-PC comments, and jokes about his hair. Is that really it? Is it just that he isn't polished enough as we (?) demand a politician must be, and too honest with it? Is it a given that career politicians who wouldn't understand the 'profit motive' of a successful business if if hit them in the face, never mind mastered it, are the only people qualified for senior political roles?
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby rajagainstthemachine » Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:03 am

I see him a sneaky person with vested interests, a person who will not care for the well being of the American public. The only people who would be interested in seeing his rise would be corporations and business men.
Plus I intensely dislike his persona about how he conducts himself..arrogant and snooty.
He does not have the qualities of a political leader and the only way he can sell himself as a presidential candidate is through his past TV shows and his wealth.
I can't imagine this moron being given controls to the nuclear codes, I'm pretty sure he'll go "you're fired" on some hapless country.
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Re: Donald Trump

Postby calugaruvaxile » Tue, 22 Sep 2015 3:39 am

rajagainstthemachine wrote:I see him a sneaky person with vested interests, a person who will not care for the well being of the American public.


is there any of them who will care for that? :D seriously!

The only people who would be interested in seeing his rise would be corporations and business men.


each candidate has his/her own group of private sponsors, and the interests of those who paid will be the first to be served. oh well, this is how it works.

Plus I intensely dislike his persona about how he conducts himself..arrogant and snooty.


of course that's the reason. but e don't need to pull the knives out for/against him

He does not have the qualities of a political leader and the only way he can sell himself as a presidential candidate is through his past TV shows and his wealth.
I can't imagine this moron being given controls to the nuclear codes, I'm pretty sure he'll go "you're fired" on some hapless country.


you are probably right. but remember, bush jr held the codes, and sarah palin was this close to hold them

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Re: Donald Trump

Postby nakatago » Tue, 22 Sep 2015 6:46 am

livingontheedge wrote:I support Donal Trump - the country needs a businessmen and not a politician - I am laughing my arse off when other candidates and the media reports that he has no experience in politicis and foreign policy - why do you need experience in politics to run a country? and as a businessman with casinos and royalties from other countries, he should have more experience in foreign policy than other candidates.

Yes - he failed four times and that's been on the news countless times, but I can't remember any billionaire/millionaire without his/her own failures unlike Fiorina who just failed and left the private sector.

And then there is the echo of there are no specifics in anything he says - but neither do other candidates have. I mean Rubio clearly articulated all the foreign enemies the US has and so many applauded and cheered his "experience" in foreign policy - reading from a list of enemies shows experience - the guy forgot the African nations - Somalia, Congo, Central African Republic, Sudan, etc. I reckon its hard to come up with specific procedures to achieve certain goals until you are in the house and probably alot of it depends on your management skills to employ and deploy the best of the best individuals for each role.



In all seriousness, the Donald isn't fit to be in a position that requires finesse as he's too brash. If you want to tap into his business acumen, then put him in charge of the economy rather than diplomacy.


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