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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Jul 2015 5:47 pm

Your second paragraph gave me a chuckle. ;-)

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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby JR8 » Wed, 15 Jul 2015 6:12 pm

tell me about it! Seriously, and I only got it like 7 months back, but oh well, to gain something bigger one has to loose something else ... so I shall brood a bit but then carry on.
Over 14K posts ... wow you have been a real long timer here. :mrgreen:
Lets hope things move pleasently .. am suppose to hear an update today. currently I work as a global director but with a mainly european focus in my IB, so travel a fair bit around. However the chance to do the same in Asia, is truly something all "3" of us are looking forward to.


7 months... <inhale/sucking teeth>... that's got to sting big-time!
No no, others have been here way longer than me... I'm probably just more indolent and tend to have this site open on a background tab most days I'm online...
That's sounds good, there's still a lot of new IB type 'origination' going on here. New opportunities, new regions etc. My background (back on my first stint here) was fixed income, esp then emerging stuff, Indonesia etc. The guy I worked for was a 'brilliant loony'... made us a fortune with the most complex deals across the region possible, but then blew up the whole ship when the markets went the wrong way, one week. I can lol now :)
There are the virtues mentioned previously. But in the same way corporates 'round off' the up-and-comers by rotating them via the products and regions, a stint out here is a great thing to have on the CV. Outfits tend me smaller here, so you're exposed to more things. In a way the opportunity is more down to how broad you want to make it... unlike the more rule-bound ways back home.
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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby soulsearching » Wed, 15 Jul 2015 8:37 pm

JR8 wrote:
tell me about it! Seriously, and I only got it like 7 months back, but oh well, to gain something bigger one has to loose something else ... so I shall brood a bit but then carry on.
Over 14K posts ... wow you have been a real long timer here. :mrgreen:
Lets hope things move pleasently .. am suppose to hear an update today. currently I work as a global director but with a mainly european focus in my IB, so travel a fair bit around. However the chance to do the same in Asia, is truly something all "3" of us are looking forward to.


7 months... <inhale/sucking teeth>... that's got to sting big-time!
No no, others have been here way longer than me... I'm probably just more indolent and tend to have this site open on a background tab most days I'm online...
That's sounds good, there's still a lot of new IB type 'origination' going on here. New opportunities, new regions etc. My background (back on my first stint here) was fixed income, esp then emerging stuff, Indonesia etc. The guy I worked for was a 'brilliant loony'... made us a fortune with the most complex deals across the region possible, but then blew up the whole ship when the markets went the wrong way, one week. I can lol now :)
There are the virtues mentioned previously. But in the same way corporates 'round off' the up-and-comers by rotating them via the products and regions, a stint out here is a great thing to have on the CV. Outfits tend me smaller here, so you're exposed to more things. In a way the opportunity is more down to how broad you want to make it... unlike the more rule-bound ways back home.



so you guys can teach me a thing or two .... if/when I move (am only 32). Your comments there reminds me of the movie I got on Netflix last night ... Margin Call .... regarding complex products .. and blowing up the market ... haha ... (have seen it twice before, but got to love that movie).

Precisely what I am thinking right now, about rotation!! If things work out and we do a longer stint .. so be it .. but for getting that coveted "C" level position ... I think this will do me a world of good

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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby soulsearching » Wed, 15 Jul 2015 8:47 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Your second paragraph gave me a chuckle. ;-)


Gosh .... 31K posts! Wow ..... am glad am making you chuckle mate ....

by the looks of it... I will have to take a few of you out for a pint (thats rich, since you know better then me about silly alcohol prices) .... It will be great networking opportunity, with the fingers above the keyboard .. the way u lot give great advice here.....

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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby FOX711 » Wed, 15 Jul 2015 9:29 pm

I work in education.
but I am not old enough, nor high position, just with 8 years experience.
Actually, I am also new, flying into Singapore on 25th July.

I think how much is enough, totally depends on your life style.
Maybe a bigger question is, do you like what you will be doing? will you feel happy every morning when you wake up thinking wow, now I can continue doing this project?
For me, Life is too short to be miserable, so my priority after 30, is always happiness and passion.

I had no job 2014-2015, and I was totally happy, with enough income, to pay for rent by the sea, and just paint, play music, and do research.

I can have life style shopping 3 time per week in a luxury mall, I can have life style reading books and eating apples only at home. Both are equally fine with me. but I would never ever again waste my life in a job I feel boring and disrespected.

and
TAKE ME OUT TAKE ME OUT TAKE ME OUT, HAHAHAH

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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby soulsearching » Wed, 15 Jul 2015 9:45 pm

FOX711 wrote:TAKE ME OUT TAKE ME OUT TAKE ME OUT, HAHAHAH


since you are a "newbie" like me ... and we all need friends ... I say why not! Will tap you if/when I plan to be out there ....

Also am very insprired by your "monk" like view on life ....whatever makes you happy dude! ..... LOVE ITTT!

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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby JR8 » Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:04 pm

soulsearching wrote:so you guys can teach me a thing or two .... if/when I move (am only 32). Your comments there reminds me of the movie I got on Netflix last night ... Margin Call .... regarding complex products .. and blowing up the market ... haha ... (have seen it twice before, but got to love that movie).
Precisely what I am thinking right now, about rotation!! If things work out and we do a longer stint .. so be it .. but for getting that coveted "C" level position ... I think this will do me a world of good


Yeah I liked that film, it reminded me of the sheer terror, even when it isn't your own money you're staking. Quite nostalgic.

But my era was more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgqSVVLFmds ['Rogue Trader - The story of Nick Leeson' - this is a trailer that segues through into the full film]. Gives more of an idea of the work vs the play, out this way, and how one can become 'king of the hill'. That said, I'm sure international controls are more integrated/real-time these days.... hey maybe even for the real OTC stuff :) But don't dwell on this stuff, it's just historic outliers on the old battle-ground.

Be aware now, that there are plenty of people who get 'a transfer for 2 years', who end up staying for five, or ten, or even for ever (example SundayMorningStaple who never went home). Or going for two, then going off to HK, and then Japan... and. Getting here, then being back here 20 years later... it's complicated. Get known as someone willing to relo, and that in itself (really) can really take you places and open opportunities.
Posting out here in a way is like crossing the Rubicon, in some ways you never go back. If not literally physically, then at least mentally for many people.


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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Jul 2015 11:54 pm

I'll have you know, I'm going home on the 22 of September! (for 8 days -they will run out of conversation after 2 days in the pub) only because it's my 50th class reunion and then down to FL for 10 days to see my sister (haven't been down there in around 35 years I guess, considering I've been here over 33 now. Will be an interesting reunion, I daresay.
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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby soulsearching » Thu, 16 Jul 2015 3:09 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I'll have you know, I'm going home on the 22 of September! (for 8 days -they will run out of conversation after 2 days in the pub) only because it's my 50th class reunion and then down to FL for 10 days to see my sister (haven't been down there in around 35 years I guess, considering I've been here over 33 now. Will be an interesting reunion, I daresay.
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you have been there ... longer then how old I am! =D> =D> =D>

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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 16 Jul 2015 9:32 am

:oops!: I'm actually still working full time but I'm past retirement age. :-k

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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby bgd » Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:37 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote::oops!: I'm actually still working full time but I'm past retirement age. :-k


And like Fox711, you do it for love, right? :wink:

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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby JR8 » Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:08 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:I'll have you know, I'm going home on the 22 of September! (for 8 days -they will run out of conversation after 2 days in the pub) only because it's my 50th class reunion and then down to FL for 10 days to see my sister (haven't been down there in around 35 years I guess, considering I've been here over 33 now. Will be an interesting reunion, I daresay.
:mrgreen:


+1. funny isn't it, you miss home, but then go home, and er... it's not home and you yearn to be back here. So I totally get the running out of conversation/[novelty; or should that be lost familiarity?]. Damn it's complicated :lol: It's D-1 on my 9th relo, and still not heading for home. 'Maybe next time I'll call it quits...'

50th class reunion. Wow, that's going to be an eye-opener and perhaps culture-shock rolled into one. All those individual journeys crossing once more. Are you drawing up a must do/eat whilst there list? You'll be like a reverse snowbird, going to Florida and finding it cold... hehe...
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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby JR8 » Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:11 am

soulsearching wrote:you have been there ... longer then how old I am! =D> =D> =D>


Take a poll and that might be more the rule rather than the exception :lol: :twisted: :cool:
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Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:31 am

JR8 wrote:+1. funny isn't it, you miss home, but then go home, and er... it's not home and you yearn to be back here. So I totally get the running out of conversation/[novelty; or should that be lost familiarity?]. Damn it's complicated :lol: It's D-1 on my 9th relo, and still not heading for home. 'Maybe next time I'll call it quits...'

50th class reunion. Wow, that's going to be an eye-opener and perhaps culture-shock rolled into one. All those individual journeys crossing once more. Are you drawing up a must do/eat whilst there list? You'll be like a reverse snowbird, going to Florida and finding it cold... hehe...


Definitely not lost familiarity, but home is a town of less than 10k people in a farming/seafood community. So aside from how the crabs are running and how much johnson grass is in the corn or the moisture content of the soybeans crops, there's not too much to talk about other than the Balmer Ravens or Orioles - football/baseball. Oh, and as the Eastern Shore of Maryland is full of GOP sympathizers, Our nearby neighbour (100km), Washington DC. Otherwise, pfffft!

Maybe they are a little better today what with the advent of the Internet and FB. I'll be finding out soon enough I guess. Oh, and yes, I have a date with the Crab Claw Restaurant in Saint Michaels, MD (neighboring town of around 2K people - lived there for the first 10 years of my life). Should be a good one (3rd day of the reunion gathering for lunch there). I think we all worked at least a couple of months there in our teens during summer vacation. Steamed crabs, fresh oysters, soft crab sandwiches, crabcakes and beer!

JR8, you know what they say..... the road to perdition is paved with good intentions. I'll probably just keel over in the harness one day. :mrgreen:

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Re: RE: Re: An initial "insight" needed

Postby FOX711 » Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:54 am

bgd wrote:[quote=&quot;sundaymorningstaple&quot;]:oops!: I'm actually still working full time but I'm past retirement age. :-k


And like Fox711, you do it for love, right? :wink:[/quote]
I think we r all working full time, until the day we die, only a matter with job or jobless, work on external or internal, with concious or subconcious.

I was jobless for almost a year, tutoring mandarin, mathematics, music, origami, and researching for efficiency of qigong healing.

I figure its a much better investment to work on self, than to work on money. Coz money is a side-effect as long as I work on myself for the better:)



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