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by x9200 » Sat, 11 Apr 2015 10:03 am
JR8 wrote:ecureilx wrote:It's not STs job to check if the ad is in violation of any minor law, I guess
But HDB started to monitor such ads and has been taking the owners to task and in cases forfeited the flats ...
No no, I'm not suggesting that it is STs job. Just publishing your rule-flouting is, pretty bold. And every other thing here is monitored by the government, so...
If the whole road traffic every single day was any different.
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by ecureilx » Sun, 12 Apr 2015 10:22 am
JR8 wrote:ecureilx wrote:It's not STs job to check if the ad is in violation of any minor law, I guess
But HDB started to monitor such ads and has been taking the owners to task and in cases forfeited the flats ...
No no, I'm not suggesting that it is STs job. Just publishing your rule-flouting is, pretty bold. And every other thing here is monitored by the government, so...
if I recall correctly, HDB receives about few thousand tips every year, a vast majority I guess are from curious neighbours but a lot are valid information. That is apart from a similar number of tips that reach URA, for non-HDB
property rental etc
I suspect, for HDB to prioritise the investigation targets is when a) they find a tenant's updated address and the matching home address is not in the authorised rental apartment (as address change is compulsory for PR and SC) and b) monitoring newspaper ads
a 2010 article re: enforcement ..
http://www.hdb.gov.sg/fi10/fi10296p.nsf ... enDocument
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by JR8 » Sun, 12 Apr 2015 3:56 pm
Hmmm .... interesting article!
It led me on to try and clarify the SGn definition of a unit's 'room' count. After all it's 'room', and not 'bedroom'.
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Ninestrokes: 'Also I've confronted him before that there's a rule of max occupancy that is 6 persons in 3-room flats but he says that a living room is considered a room as well so our flat is a 4-room flat. Is this correct?'
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If the above is a 3-bed flat, then it does indeed seem it is considered a '4-room' flat. Per:
'HDB's 4-room flats offer an intimate and cosy living space.
Features
With an estimated floor area of 90 square metres, each flat comes with
A living/dining area
Kitchen
One Master bedroom with attached bathroom
Two other bedrooms
Common bathroom and
Storeroom-cum-apartment shelter'
http://www.hdb.gov.sg/fi10/fi10321p.nsf ... enDocument
Per your link Ecu:
'Flat owners must also comply with the terms and conditions of HDB for the subletting of flats. For example, they must not allow their flat to be occupied by more than the maximum number of subtenants allowed, as shown in the table below.
Flat Type Maximum Number of Subtenants Allowed
1-Room and 2-Room 4 persons
3-Room 6 persons
4-Room and bigger flat type 9 persons'
So then maybe a 3-bed + 1-living room unit, can be legally let to 9 sub-tenants? There is no mention of in which rooms these tenants must sleep in. Could there be 3 in each of the 3 bedrooms, and with the living room not being used as a bedroom ?

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by ecureilx » Sun, 12 Apr 2015 4:21 pm
JR8 wrote:So then maybe a 3-bed + 1-living room unit, can be legally let to 9 sub-tenants? There is no mention of in which rooms these tenants must sleep in. Could there be 3 in each of the 3 bedrooms, and with the living room not being used as a bedroom ?

I went to visit a friend of mine, and was surprised that there was a curtain in the living room, and there was a bed there.
Turns out this fellow rented a 3 bedroom unit from JTC (Before JTC stopped rental) and rental all 3 bedrooms, and he himself was occupying the living room - living rent free ..
When I asked him if he is flouting the max occupancy law, he smiled and said, no, as there is only 8 people in the house ..
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by joiedevivre22 » Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:25 pm
ecureilx wrote:JR8 wrote:
I went to visit a friend of mine, and was surprised that there was a curtain in the living room, and there was a bed there.
Turns out this fellow rented a 3 bedroom unit from JTC (Before JTC stopped rental) and rental all 3 bedrooms, and he himself was occupying the living room - living rent free ..
When I asked him if he is flouting the max occupancy law, he smiled and said, no, as there is only 8 people in the house ..
Whoa, some guts he has. This is scary!
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by ecureilx » Mon, 13 Apr 2015 1:41 pm
joiedevivre22 wrote:Whoa, some guts he has. This is scary!
since he was living rent free, with a fan for ventilation, I don't think he minded ..
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