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DP Cancellation

Postby Bellaboo » Mon, 06 Apr 2015 6:05 pm

Legal Eagle advice urgently needed regarding a PEP holder cancelling a wifes DP.

I believe there are certain reasons that must be specified to MOM to justify the cancellation. Can anyone clarify what they are?

And trust me, this is dire and urgent so helpful advice most welcome.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby ecureilx » Mon, 06 Apr 2015 11:29 pm

Bellaboo wrote:Legal Eagle advice urgently needed regarding a PEP holder cancelling a wifes DP.

I believe there are certain reasons that must be specified to MOM to justify the cancellation. Can anyone clarify what they are?

And trust me, this is dire and urgent so helpful advice most welcome.

Is it really compulsory to give a reason to cancel DP ?

Maybe a PEP holder here can confirm ...

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby Bellaboo » Mon, 06 Apr 2015 11:52 pm

It is compulsory. Would you have your pass cancelled for no reason?

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 3:23 am

Bellaboo wrote:Legal Eagle advice urgently needed regarding a PEP holder cancelling a wifes DP.

I believe there are certain reasons that must be specified to MOM to justify the cancellation. Can anyone clarify what they are?

And trust me, this is dire and urgent so helpful advice most welcome.


If one is cancelling a DP, then there are three possible reasons that this is being done. First, the EP/PEP to which the DP is attached has become a PR. In this case the DP would be converted to a LTVP(+) and that would be the reason for the DP cancellation.

Second, the DP and EP have parted ways (a divorce) such that the legal relationship no longer exists between the two, and therefore, the DP must be cancelled because there is no EP to tie it to. I think you can get a 30 day social pass under this scenario.

Third, the DP is leaving Singapore and does not plan in returning. This would also be the reason for a cancellation.

A DP would also be cancelled if the DP holder gets an EP/PEP in their own right but I believe the cancellation is automatic when the EP/PEP is issued.

Of course, the obvious one is that the EP/PEP that the DP is tied to is being cancelled but I think this DP cancellation is also automatic.

Bottom line: A change in status means that the DP is no longer good as a legal residence document. Either the DP must leave or convert to a different kind of pass.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby x9200 » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 4:19 am

Bellaboo wrote:It is compulsory. Would you have your pass cancelled for no reason?

You seem to confuse having reasons with reporting the reasons. I don't see any information confirming that such reason have to be openly stated (reported) to the authorities.

What is the importance of it anyway? If the PEP holder just requests the cancellation stating that the DP holder is leaving the country, what the DP holder is going to do about it?

http://beta.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permi ... cel-a-pass
How to cancel
To cancel a pass:
Log in to EP Online and cancel the pass. Cancellation is immediate.


...meaning the process is unconditional and does not involve any human decision making based on any additional information supplied.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby Bellaboo » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:24 am

Thank you for helpful advice.

To those that are so blasé about the process ..... what if you weren't leaving the country? What if the PEP holder was simply holding you to ransom and had a list of demands under which you would have your pass reinstated? What if it meant you'd be deported and away from the kids you have given birth to, raised and adored for all their lives? All because of someones malice and spite?

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby x9200 » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:40 am

Bellaboo wrote:Thank you for helpful advice.

To those that are so blasé about the process ..... what if you weren't leaving the country? What if the PEP holder was simply holding you to ransom and had a list of demands under which you would have your pass reinstated? What if it meant you'd be deported and away from the kids you have given birth to, raised and adored for all their lives? All because of someones malice and spite?

What all this have to do with your initial question? We may be fully sympathetic to your predicaments but the facts are as stated.

If you ask what to do in the situation like this, then probably the best answer would be: go and see a lawyer.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby Strong Eagle » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:47 am

Bellaboo wrote:Thank you for helpful advice.

To those that are so blasé about the process ..... what if you weren't leaving the country? What if the PEP holder was simply holding you to ransom and had a list of demands under which you would have your pass reinstated? What if it meant you'd be deported and away from the kids you have given birth to, raised and adored for all their lives? All because of someones malice and spite?


Then you are up shit creek. A DP associated with a regular EP requires that an employer or employment agent be the guarantor, and generally, the employer is the only one who would request that a DP be terminated. With a PEP however, it was the PEP holder who signed the sponsorship piece in the application, and that may give him additional powers.

If you are insinuating that the PEP holder is threatening to cancel your DP and force you out of the country in order to get what he wants, then I would do two things. First, I would contact MOM and set up a meeting to discuss the situation. I don't know but there _may_ be some legal protection for DP's to avoid being arbitrarily thrown out of the country by a PEP who cancels a DP.

And second, I'd contact a divorce attorney... this certainly sounds like marital discord and perhaps you can get an injunction.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby Bellaboo » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 12:18 pm

The DP has already been cancelled. MOM are less than helpful Apparently PEP holders are allowed to say whatever the hell they want. Lies or not. And lawyers are even less helpful and bloody expensive.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby x9200 » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 12:38 pm

Then what are you going to do? Flee the country with your children?

Side note: you made a parallel post using your FB account (see bottom of this page). If you want to protect your privacy you better remove it.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby Bellaboo » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 12:56 pm

I have already removed the Facebook post.

And no ... I would not just leave the country with my children. There is a little bit of a kidnapping problem with that.

I am lodging a complaint with MOM about false statements made in regards to cancelling the DP. And I am doing what I always do ... fighting for the well being of my children.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby ecureilx » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 1:12 pm

Bellaboo wrote:I have already removed the Facebook post.

And no ... I would not just leave the country with my children. There is a little bit of a kidnapping problem with that.

I am lodging a complaint with MOM about false statements made in regards to cancelling the DP. And I am doing what I always do ... fighting for the well being of my children.

Sad to see anybody in your situation but MOM takes the PEP holder as guarantor and the primary pass holder is the responsible person for his/her DPs.

I doubt MOM will entertain things like false reason etc ... as long as it is cancelled.

As suggested you need a lawyer.

And it's not SG govt's job to fix broken marriages or mediate, for foreigners. For Citizens and spouse of citizens though there are a dozen venues for help.

You may need to take your fight to your home country, if you find Singapore lawyers aren't helpful

On the other hand if your intention is to extend your stay in Singapore minus a DP that too is going to be tough


Ps, your initial post gave the impression that you are the PEP holder trying to cancel the DP

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby Bellaboo » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 1:20 pm

Nope. I am not the PEP holder.

I am the very very badly damaged result of an abusive husband. Who is now abusing me even though he left me. Emotional abuse is no less painful than physical.

It is most certainly not MOMs job to fix broken marriages. But it is their job to step in when false declarations have been made.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby Bellaboo » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 1:26 pm

And when the Pass Holder refuses all other avenues for me staying here.

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Re: DP Cancellation

Postby the lynx » Tue, 07 Apr 2015 1:34 pm

Bellaboo wrote:Nope. I am not the PEP holder.

I am the very very badly damaged result of an abusive husband. Who is now abusing me even though he left me. Emotional abuse is no less painful than physical.

It is most certainly not MOMs job to fix broken marriages. But it is their job to step in when false declarations have been made.


Sorry to hear about your predicament. Unfortunately, DP is considered as a privilege tied to a employment/resident visa to bring family members in the eyes of MOM. Plus DP is not an employment visa by itself. MOM would have been more concerned of an EP being terminated on unfair grounds than a DP of PEP being terminated on unfair grounds.

I agree with the other posters. Take the fight to your home country, where you have better advantage. Perhaps you have better access to better (cheaper) lawyers in your home country.

I do not know why you would still want to remain in Singapore, despite of the horrible things you said your (ex) husband. Probably for your children, yes. But right now, he is winning in his ground so you need to calculate your moves.

All the best.


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