A really great reason to not fill it in.CLNorth wrote:When reporting CPF annual interest in schedule B, what should I fill for payer ID? Don't think CPF Board has payer ID with USA IRS......
A possibility, but they have enough information already if you are paid by IR8A and you submit a copy with your 1040 to support your salary claim. You NRIC number is also your tax number and your CPF reference number and it's found on the top of the IR8A. Remember what Dirty Harry said. "Well, do you feel lucky? I can't remember if I fired 5 shots or 6." Remember, if you are a PR or dual citizen, you have to contribute CPF if you are an employee. They will know that much. If you have FIN number you wont be paying into CPF anyway. But yeah, the interest is a gamble.Strong Eagle wrote:A really great reason to not fill it in.CLNorth wrote:When reporting CPF annual interest in schedule B, what should I fill for payer ID? Don't think CPF Board has payer ID with USA IRS......
I just enter "Central Provident Fund" for payer name, same as what my former tax accountant used to do.CLNorth wrote:When reporting CPF annual interest in schedule B, what should I fill for payer ID? Don't think CPF Board has payer ID with USA IRS......
As seen from a separate thread, CPF and similar organizations will not have to FATCA report to US Treasury per IGA, but that likely does not absolve the individual of their own responsibility to do so under current FinCEN and IRS regulations.maneo wrote:However, year-end bank balances will be sent to the SG government, which will then share this with the US Treasury as part of the FATCA IGA.
I checked again with the Senior BSA (Bank Secrecy Act) Tax Law Specialist in the Treasury Dept's FinCEN BSA Compliance Department ( FBARQUESTIONS{at}irs.gov ).GSM8 wrote:As seen from a separate thread, CPF and similar organizations will not have to FATCA report to US Treasury per IGA, but that likely does not absolve the individual of their own responsibility to do so under current FinCEN and IRS regulations.
http://forum.singaporeexpats.com/viewtopic.php?t=106274
And the general consensus, per the latest word (from long ago) direct from the IRS, is that the employer's CPF contributions are sadly not excludable via the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion/Foreign Housing Exclusion (IRS Form 2555 or 2555-EZ). Your contributions are, up to FEIE/FHE limits of course. The employer's contributions are "constructively received" when made, so they're taxable income in each/every year made.kelvinfrog wrote:Hey, I know the contribution by your employer and interest earned in the CPF will be taxed.
Yes, assuming you keep all your CPF funds in "traditional" CPF, which I strongly recommend. Then CPF is basically like a bank paying 4+% interest for U.S. tax purposes, and you declare the interest as income each year, on IRS Form 1040 (or 1040A) Schedule B. Of course this interest is not earned income, so it cannot be subject to the Self-Employment Tax nor can it be excluded (FEIE/FHE). It is subject to the Net Investment Income Tax (IRS Form 8960) if you have relatively high (or higher) income.Is the tax rate for the gain from CPF same as the usual federal income tax?
According to general consensus, every year. The income is "constructively received" when the interest is credited to your CPF account, so that's when it's taxable. That's probably not a bad thing, though, especially if the interest income slides under your U.S. tax return's exemptions, deductions, and credits (i.e. taxed at 0%). That approach also arguably helps reduce some exchange rate risk.Also, do you pay tax when you withdraw your money (like coming back to the U.S) or you need to pay tax every year?
Yes, but only if you first terminate your Singapore Permanent Residence status or renounce your Singaporean citizenship, as applicable. If you don't do that, you must wait until you can make qualified/permitted withdrawals (retirement age). However, in my view you should ponder very carefully whether you should prematurely withdraw funds from a AAA-rated government account paying a minimum of over 4% (CPF SA) on funds that can be withdrawn on demand, at any time. That's a very high yielding savings account! Unless you need the funds for a kidney transplant to survive (literally or figuratively), I would let them ride straight into retirement and then withdraw the funds at least relatively slowly in equal or near-equal Singapore dollar increments (for foreign exchange reasons). That said, I'd probably start tapping CPF funds if I needed them before tapping U.S. Social Security (which you can delay up to age 70 for a higher monthly benefit, a very wise delay if you can and if you're healthy) and before tapping U.S. tax-advantaged retirement savings, particularly before tapping Roth IRAs and Roth 401(k)s.One last question, can you withdraw all the CPF money when you leave your job and go back to US?
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